Battle of the Somme

[Smitty-48]

Saying you are trying to shut me down might have been too strong.

I will still say the prolonged sneering at someone because of an unoriginal, and cliched, remarks that are that because they are true is...I'm not sure what...in bad taste, maybe? Anyways, that the First World War was also transformative is something that should be brought up, and I do enjoy learning more, but the seemingly good cheer of such a war is still to me off putting.

Well flee to your fuckin' safe space then, ya delicate fuckin' pansy, go ahead and have yourself a good cry, get it all out, little fella, just stop bothering me about it, ya over sensitive panty waist.

[C-Mag]

Justin Zoolander Trudeau's

I thought maybe you made that up and then google showed me an awesome video of O'Leary coining the term.
Either way, it's hilarious.

Anyway, back to topic here. A smart gun guy make the argument that the US fielding an Army with all Semi-Auto weapons was revolutionary. His article gives a good quick rundown of basic issue infantry rifles for the major players in WWII.

So in 1945 the US was ahead of the rest of the world in fielding exclusively self-loading combat rifles. By 1960 the rest of the world had caught up (and you could argue that the Communist bloc, having adopted and standardizing the Germans’ assault rifle concept, were ahead). But in Hollywood, California, Eugene Stoner, L. James Sullivan, and a talented team that at times included Mel Johnson of Johnson Rifle fame, were applying aerospace technology to the next revolution in small arms.

http://weaponsman.com/?p=2611

I think he has one glaring omission in this piece, he should have mentioned that UK forces properly trained with Lee Enfield could maintain the same rate of aimed fire as the GIs with their Garands and Carbines.

[Smitty-48]

Justin Zoolander Trudeau's

I thought maybe you made that up and then google showed me an awesome video of O'Leary coining the term.
Either way, it's hilarious.

I didn't get that from O'Leary, had no idea O'Leary had said that too, that's just what Trudeau is like, he's a total Himbo.

"The Justin Trudeau Canada For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too"

[katarn]

Hmm, this continuous description of what I say as virtue signaling seems to me the same as crying racism, or Marxist in order to shut down the conversation, or score points. If you disagree with something I said, that's fine. Say so, and if you want offer a correction, go ahead. Or you could just keep debating with the strawman.

Meh, I've summed you up, bro, there's nothing you can do about it now, and this sort of cliche comeback here ^ ; is just proving my point for me.

Newsflash; it's actually you who is succumbing to mashismo here, your manly pride is stung, so you just keep coming back for more, even after you've been schooled.

Nobody is trying to "shut you down", simply by pointing out that you are purity spiralling ad nauseam in every thread, that's the strawman fallacy here, and it is quite clearly coming from you, although, ultimately, as I said, originating from the gumball machine in the college dorm, where the rest of your non-persona comes from.

Cliche compounded upon cliche, from a stockpile of pedestrian cliches, but you're free to be as vacuous as you want to be, it's no skin off my teeth, but to say that it is a "strawman" simply to point you out as you are, that in of itself, is just another tiresome internet cliche.

Nobody is trying to "shut you down", simply by saying "you're making a fool of yourself, kid", but you can take it or leave it of course, no need to bother trying to play the "opression" card on top of all the other fatuous college dorm cliches you propagate.

Saying you are trying to shut me down might have been too strong.

I will still say the prolonged sneering at someone because of an unoriginal, and cliched, remarks that are that because they are true is...I'm not sure what...in bad taste, maybe? Anyways, that the First World War was also transformative is something that should be brought up, and I do enjoy learning more, but the seemingly good cheer of such a war is still to me off putting.

No one has said the war was good, just beneficial to all those who came after. The betterment came at such a cost, but it was innovative. This is the same type of scenario as the Mongol impacts, just on a larger scale, and more recent. That is was more recent means it was so much worse on humans, but also that there is more emotion involved.

[jbird4049]

Saying you are trying to shut me down might have been too strong.

I will still say the prolonged sneering at someone because of an unoriginal, and cliched, remarks that are that because they are true is...I'm not sure what...in bad taste, maybe? Anyways, that the First World War was also transformative is something that should be brought up, and I do enjoy learning more, but the seemingly good cheer of such a war is still to me off putting.

Well flee to your fuckin' safe space then, ya delicate fuckin' pansy, go ahead and have yourself a good cry, get it all out, little fella, just stop bothering me about it, ya over sensitive panty waist.

Anyways, if I'm such a "delicate fuckin' pansy" and a bother, why do you put so much effort in the sneering?

I'm just responding to your BS because I do just detest such bullying talk.

But I have spent enough time on it, so I'll just admire your magnificent sneering.

[jbird4049]

No one has said the war was good, just beneficial to all those who came after. The betterment came at such a cost, but it was innovative. This is the same type of scenario as the Mongol impacts, just on a larger scale, and more recent. That is was more recent means it was so much worse on humans, but also that there is more emotion involved.

Alright, I can see that.

[Smitty-48]

Saying you are trying to shut me down might have been too strong.

I will still say the prolonged sneering at someone because of an unoriginal, and cliched, remarks that are that because they are true is...I'm not sure what...in bad taste, maybe? Anyways, that the First World War was also transformative is something that should be brought up, and I do enjoy learning more, but the seemingly good cheer of such a war is still to me off putting.

Well flee to your fuckin' safe space then, ya delicate fuckin' pansy, go ahead and have yourself a good cry, get it all out, little fella, just stop bothering me about it, ya over sensitive panty waist.

Anyways, if I'm such a "delicate fuckin' pansy" and a bother, why do you put so much effort in the sneering?

I'm just responding to your BS because I do just detest such bullying talk.

But I have spent enough time on it, so I'll just admire your magnificent sneering.

Ah yes, the "bully" card, as I said; a walking cliche, drawing upon a stockpile of cliches from the gumball machine in the college dorm.

It's not "bullying" you to point you out for being vacuous, unless of course, your non-persona has been formed in the college dorm, at which point, everything is "bullying" apparently.

I'm not "sneering" at you per se, you're too farcical to bother sneering at, more of a chuckle, with a slight shake of the head, for the cringworthy state of the American College Boy, but it takes no effort to sum you up, you are summed up with ease.

The reason you keep coming back, is that you are stung by the truth of it, but you can't just take your licks and walk away, because too much of your ego is wrapped up in your fabricated non-persona, all of it in fact.

The truth is not bullying, and I am not picking on you, you are simply throwing yourself in front of me, groining yourself on my knee, as I just walk along minding my own business, but go ahead, try to portray yourself as the victim of something, as clearly, self victimization is core to your stock college dorm gumball machine persona.

You can walk away anytime, I didn't initiate this exchange with you, you chirped at me, nobody is forcing you to throw yourself in front of me, anytime you are ready to move on, I will cease pointing out your foibles for being seemingly incapable of doing so.

Evidently, as part and parcel of said foibles, you are attention seeking, but I don't mind, attention seek away, little fella, just bear in mind, the attention you will get from me, will be on my terms not yours.

[Manwithnoname]

Smitty is 100% right. The Great War changed almost everything. The 19th century world became the 20th century world really, really quickly in the space of about 18 months (1916-1918). In every way - from the front line to the home front to politics to the world map, and many other things I can't be bothered to list, because Smitty has covered it already.

We still feel the echoes today.

I think it may have been A.J.P. Taylor that said something like 'if Napoleon was alive in 1914 he'd have understood the rules of the war he was in, but in 1917 he would have understood none of it' *

*I haven't the book at hand, and it's more than likely a mis-quote, but the basics are right.

[Smitty-48]

The most important thing to understand about the Somme Offensive, is that they truly believed that it was going to work, they genuinely beleived that the New Artillery which they had developed, was going to win the day for them, that is why the soldiers were directed to simply stand up and march forward in an orderly fashion, because their greatest fear was not that they would be walking into a slaughter, their fear was that it wouldn't be an orderly advance, and so it wouldn't fully exploit the bombardment which they surmised was going to have simply left the Germans in ruins.

They literally thought is was simply going to be a case of walking over there and rounding up the stunned and witless survivors and marching them into captivity.

If you went back in time and told them that it was going to have almost no effect and that in the morning they would be walking into a withering fusilade of fire, that would be like telling someone now that a tactical nuclear weapon was going to have no effect on the enemy, that's how they viewed the bombardment at the time, they thought it was going to be like nuking them.

Nobody had ever tried any of this sort of thing before, there were no bombardments like this before, there was no entrenching like this before, it was all new to them, and they had to discover along the way, what was effective about bombardment and what wasn't, and the Somme, was all about learning that bombardment in of itself, to wit nuking them for a walk over, was not actually something that was going to work.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Well flee to your fuckin' safe space then, ya delicate fuckin' pansy, go ahead and have yourself a good cry, get it all out, little fella, just stop bothering me about it, ya over sensitive panty waist.

Anyways, if I'm such a "delicate fuckin' pansy" and a bother, why do you put so much effort in the sneering?

I'm just responding to your BS because I do just detest such bullying talk.

But I have spent enough time on it, so I'll just admire your magnificent sneering.

Keep trying. It's worth it.

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