bye, felicia

[Okeefenokee]

[Okeefenokee]

FTR, Okee, you get points deducted for improper use of 'Felicia' (it means 'someone forgettable'). Also, you can't get away with using it even if you use it properly. You're a parental unit.

You've never seen it, have you?

[Hwen Hoshino]

Really just comes down to the economy, if the economy picks up, Trump's numbers will go up, if it slows down, Trump's numbers will go down, the "loyal" opposition, it totally irrelevant for all intents and purposes.

He could get popular by attacking stuff no other president did like the CIA, etc...

[Smitty-48]

Really just comes down to the economy, if the economy picks up, Trump's numbers will go up, if it slows down, Trump's numbers will go down, the "loyal" opposition, it totally irrelevant for all intents and purposes.

He could get popular by attacking stuff no other president did like the CIA, etc...

I don't think that would actually be that popular, as of right now, it's Obama's CIA, so defending himself from it is popular with his base, but once it is Trump's CIA, having to attack it, because he can't control it, would be a sign of weakness, weakness is never popular, but particularly for Trump that would be bad ju-ju.

[Smitty-48]

Another country where the intelligence agencies have this kind of power to interfere, is Israel, and you can extrapolate from the very similar Israeli paradigm, that on the long view, you have to coopt the intelligence community and get them onside, a prolonged war against your own Deep State, is not a viable option, usually this never happens in the USA, but that's why I bring up Israel, because the fight between Trump and the IC right now, is straight out of politics as usual in Israel

[Hwen Hoshino]

Really just comes down to the economy, if the economy picks up, Trump's numbers will go up, if it slows down, Trump's numbers will go down, the "loyal" opposition, it totally irrelevant for all intents and purposes.

He could get popular by attacking stuff no other president did like the CIA, etc...

I don't think that would actually be that popular, as of right now, it's Obama's CIA, so defending himself from it is popular with his base, but once it is Trump's CIA, having to attack it, because he can't control it, would be a sign of weakness, weakness is never popular, but particularly for Trump that would be bad ju-ju.

And spooks using black budgets are more popular. Spooks who spy on your porn, overthrow governments, run all sorts of black ops. Doubt it.

[Smitty-48]

He could get popular by attacking stuff no other president did like the CIA, etc...

I don't think that would actually be that popular, as of right now, it's Obama's CIA, so defending himself from it is popular with his base, but once it is Trump's CIA, having to attack it, because he can't control it, would be a sign of weakness, weakness is never popular, but particularly for Trump that would be bad ju-ju.

And spooks using black budgets are more popular. Spooks who spy on your porn, overthrow governments, run all sorts of black ops. Doubt it.

That's because you've obviously deluded yourself into thinking that Americans are a bunch of anti-statist non-interventionist civil libertarians, when in fact they are nothing of the sort.

[Hwen Hoshino]

I don't think that would actually be that popular, as of right now, it's Obama's CIA, so defending himself from it is popular with his base, but once it is Trump's CIA, having to attack it, because he can't control it, would be a sign of weakness, weakness is never popular, but particularly for Trump that would be bad ju-ju.

And spooks using black budgets are more popular. Spooks who spy on your porn, overthrow governments, run all sorts of black ops. Doubt it.

That's because you've obviously deluded yourself into thinking that Americans are a bunch of anti-statist non-interventionist civil libertarians, when in fact they are nothing of the sort.

I bet you can find the information on what is too much for them. They don't want to see the USA as an Empire of Evil. Most of them don't think much about complicated stuff, but the most politically active can be turned against the CIA. Those are the people who really matter outside the Establishment.

[Okeefenokee]

That's because we want the CIA to get back to business and assassinate some communist dictators, FFS.

[Smitty-48]

Don't know what America you think you are talkin' bout, but in the real America, 59% support the CIA torture program, 66% approve of the NSA's Prism program, and 72% support military intervention in Syria with SOF and air strikes.

Americans don't like prolonged military quagmires with boots on the ground, but that's about it, for anything else, they're all in for the Hawks.