Current US Military

[Okeefenokee]

Yea I did PLDC (or WLC, whatever the fuck it’s called now) in 2011 or 12 I think. Ducked out of BNCOC because I was getting out. Fucking assholes still tried to make me go but I just went to a civilian doctor (I was on recruiting duty) and got a letter saying my back was fucked up to get out of it. The lengths I had to go to just to save the taxpayer money, sheesh.

I don’t think a draft would help shit though. You drag a bunch of unwilling guys into the military and you think discipline will improve?

Yeah, that's the sort of excuse people use to justify it. Pretend you're thinking about discipline and what's best for the force.

This bullshit excuse, that an expectation of national service will degrade discipline, along with all the other nonsense people make up to justify 18 years of war with fucking zero public sacrifice, looks pretty damn retarded when you line it up against what has actually happened.

The experiment of the volunteer army has failed. If you can't look at the retention failure of the past two years and see that, you'll never see it.

I said this was going to happen.

And the draft Army was doing awesome?

I think I read somewhere that they had 1 or 2 teenie problems with discipline.

Keep making excuses and pretending this experiment hasn't failed.

It's just as good a plan as any. There is no fixing this either way, so you might as well lie to yourself until it all blows up.

[C-Mag]

Hey, I'm all for a Draft. Should be mandatory 2 years Federal Service at age 18, no exceptions. My hardcore Liberty friends give me shit about that, and that's cool. But I feel it's necessary today.

That said, the Persian Gulf War Volunteer Army was Very Good. The Army through the 90s and into about 2005 was still very strong, but it got wore out and politically warped starting around '06.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Hey, I'm all for a Draft. Should be mandatory 2 years Federal Service at age 18, no exceptions. My hardcore Liberty friends give me shit about that, and that's cool. But I feel it's necessary today.

That said, the Persian Gulf War Volunteer Army was Very Good. The Army through the 90s and into about 2005 was still very strong, but it got wore out and politically warped starting around '06.

You want a poorly trained force of millions, that we have to re-equip every 2 years?

[Okeefenokee]

People keep talking about draft versus volunteer like people who debate torture based on effectiveness.

The volunteer army is failing, not because it can't be effective, but because it's immoral. In short spurts it never showed through, but 17 years of endless war brought that truth out.

[C-Mag]

Hey, I'm all for a Draft. Should be mandatory 2 years Federal Service at age 18, no exceptions. My hardcore Liberty friends give me shit about that, and that's cool. But I feel it's necessary today.

That said, the Persian Gulf War Volunteer Army was Very Good. The Army through the 90s and into about 2005 was still very strong, but it got wore out and politically warped starting around '06.

You want a poorly trained force of millions, that we have to re-equip every 2 years?

Nope, I want 2 years Federal Service for EVERYONE at age 18, no Deferments. Note: Federal Service doesn't mean Military Service, somebodies gonna need to pick tomatoes when I kick all the wetback back across the Rio Grande.

There's approximately 5 million 18 year olds every year, I get to pick the cream of the crop for the military

[C-Mag]

People keep talking about draft versus volunteer like people who debate torture based on effectiveness.

The volunteer army is failing, not because it can't be effective, but because it's immoral. In short spurts it never showed through, but 17 years of endless war brought that truth out.

+1
I can agree to that.

You just can't get enough quality people to fill 2 Million slots when you are at War for 17 Years. And our leaders both military and civilian know it, and are accepting mediocrity rather than to deal with reality.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Hey, I'm all for a Draft. Should be mandatory 2 years Federal Service at age 18, no exceptions. My hardcore Liberty friends give me shit about that, and that's cool. But I feel it's necessary today.

That said, the Persian Gulf War Volunteer Army was Very Good. The Army through the 90s and into about 2005 was still very strong, but it got wore out and politically warped starting around '06.

You want a poorly trained force of millions, that we have to re-equip every 2 years?

Nope, I want 2 years Federal Service for EVERYONE at age 18, no Deferments. Note: Federal Service doesn't mean Military Service, somebodies gonna need to pick tomatoes when I kick all the wetback back across the Rio Grande.

There's approximately 5 million 18 year olds every year, I get to pick the cream of the crop for the military

Valid point. I’m not entirely against 2 years of federal prison for our youth. Might toughen them up a bit. Just not my kids.

[Okeefenokee]

You want a poorly trained force of millions, that we have to re-equip every 2 years?

Nope, I want 2 years Federal Service for EVERYONE at age 18, no Deferments. Note: Federal Service doesn't mean Military Service, somebodies gonna need to pick tomatoes when I kick all the wetback back across the Rio Grande.

There's approximately 5 million 18 year olds every year, I get to pick the cream of the crop for the military

Valid point. I’m not entirely against 2 years of federal prison for our youth. Might toughen them up a bit. Just not my kids.

Exhibit A why the volunteer army has failed.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nope, I want 2 years Federal Service for EVERYONE at age 18, no Deferments. Note: Federal Service doesn't mean Military Service, somebodies gonna need to pick tomatoes when I kick all the wetback back across the Rio Grande.

There's approximately 5 million 18 year olds every year, I get to pick the cream of the crop for the military

Valid point. I’m not entirely against 2 years of federal prison for our youth. Might toughen them up a bit. Just not my kids.

Exhibit A why the volunteer army has failed.

Those who can’t, to the cannon fodder. Those who can, to the workforce. All to the glory of the mega corps.
Darwinian defense force, activate!

[C-Mag]

The Sergeant Major of the Army has set a 2018 Recruiting goal of 80,000 Soldiers. That's 0.27 % of the 18-24 year olds in this country, but 75% are not eligible for military service for a variety of reasons, leaving the good SMA with a pool of 7.5 Million or right around 1% of the 18-24 year olds in the country. But, he's looking for one percent of the top 30 percent of the country. I doubt he will get them all.

That's just the Army