Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:02 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
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GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Somebody should ask them.
Like everything else, it depends on who you talk to. Americans to do a lot of things to themselves that are not particularly healthy, but we allow it to occur because we value individual liberty and freedom.The right to own and use a firearm is just one part of that, and entails risk. We could pass a law requiring everyone to wear a sling while they shower because bathtubs are slippery when wet and people die every year from bathroom accidents, but we don't because there is no consensus that the level of risk warrants that type of imposition on our personal freedom. For better or worse, life is full of risk. It is risky to get out of bed in the morning, and it is risky to stay in bed too long.
The difference, of course, is taking a risk to yourself vs imposing a risk on others.
What difference would gun control make? It's not gun prohibition, it's not magical gun disintegration, I live in Canada, we have strict gun control, yet I could load up my 870 right now and start shooting people at random, the risk is there, either way.

Realitically, you're never getting rid of the 12 gauge pump, you can impose Canadian style gun control on America, but that's not going to stop anybody from rolling down the street pumping rounds into random strangers, if they are so inclined, and if you're not getting rid of that, what's the point?

I mean, never mind that the two most infamous mass shootings in strictly gun controlled Canada were perpetrated with an HK91 and an M14, two of the most powerful military firearms on the face of the earth... pretty sure that was illegal, let me just check my Criminal Code... yep, that's not allowed.

Gun control has nothing to do with risk reduction, at best, it's a post facto liability issue, at worst, is just theatrical legislation by feelz.
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by heydaralon » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:27 pm

Just ban people from being out in public. That way, the shooter won't have any targets. It wouldn't be so bad. Groceries can be delivered to your home. With the UBI it will be wired directly into your bank account, and you pay bills online, no need to leave your sofa. Netflix and youtube will serve our entertainment needs, and online dating and masturbation via webcam will become committed relationships of the future.
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:31 pm

heydaralon wrote:Just ban people from being out in public. That way, the shooter won't have any targets. It wouldn't be so bad. Groceries can be delivered to your home. With the UBI it will be wired directly into your bank account, and you pay bills online, no need to leave your sofa. Netflix and youtube will serve our entertainment needs, and online dating and masturbation via webcam will become committed relationships of the future.
That would just draw the mass shooters to your doors, because they would be the ones who didn't care about the ban, bans are only effective against the law abiding, once you're prepared to commit mass murder, what's a little ban violation on top?
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:32 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
de officiis wrote:
Like everything else, it depends on who you talk to. Americans to do a lot of things to themselves that are not particularly healthy, but we allow it to occur because we value individual liberty and freedom.The right to own and use a firearm is just one part of that, and entails risk. We could pass a law requiring everyone to wear a sling while they shower because bathtubs are slippery when wet and people die every year from bathroom accidents, but we don't because there is no consensus that the level of risk warrants that type of imposition on our personal freedom. For better or worse, life is full of risk. It is risky to get out of bed in the morning, and it is risky to stay in bed too long.
The difference, of course, is taking a risk to yourself vs imposing a risk on others.
What difference would gun control make? It's not gun prohibition, it's not magical gun disintegration, I live in Canada, we have strict gun control, yet I could load up my 870 right now and start shooting people at random, the risk is there, either way.

Realitically, you're never getting rid of the 12 gauge pump, you can impose Canadian style gun control on America, but that's not going to stop anybody from rolling down the street pumping rounds into random strangers, if they are so inclined, and if you're not getting rid of that, what's the point?

I mean, never mind that the two most infamous mass shootings in strictly gun controlled Canada were perpetrated with an HK91 and an M14, two of the most powerful military firearms on the face of the earth... pretty sure that was illegal, let me just check my Criminal Code... yep, that's not allowed.

Gun control has nothing to do with risk reduction, at best, it's a post facto liability issue, at worst, is just theatrical legislation by feelz.
The justification was being given for personal gun ownership, which I responded to - not a legal ban on guns. As a personal choice, I think it ranks up there with not wearing a seatbelt and smoking. As a legal matter, we all know it's not going to happen.
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by heydaralon » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:33 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
heydaralon wrote:Just ban people from being out in public. That way, the shooter won't have any targets. It wouldn't be so bad. Groceries can be delivered to your home. With the UBI it will be wired directly into your bank account, and you pay bills online, no need to leave your sofa. Netflix and youtube will serve our entertainment needs, and online dating and masturbation via webcam will become committed relationships of the future.
That would just draw the mass shooters to your doors, because they would be the ones who didn't care about the ban, bans are only effective against the law abiding, once you're prepared to commit mass murder, what's a little ban violation on top?
Ankle bracelets plus escape from new york style charges inside everyone's carotid arteries that will detonate if they leave their homes. Hell even a dedicated shooter like Snake Plissken couldn't figure his way out of that.
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:38 pm

heydaralon wrote:Ankle bracelets plus escape from new york style charges inside everyone's carotid arteries that will detonate if they leave their homes. Hell even a dedicated shooter like Snake Plissken couldn't figure his way out of that.
Who needs Snake Plissken, when you got hackers, jammers, and spoofers? All anybody is doing is sitting around at home trying to figure out how to defeat the system, it's gonna last about a week.

Never mind that cooping everybody up in a prison is going to turn them all into homicidal sociopaths, exponentially defeated the whole purpose when they do break out.
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:40 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:HOORAH
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Marine Corps; "Oorah".
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:44 pm

Marines: oorah
Army: Hooah

Air force: fuck my life
Navy: I wonder what my wife is up to?

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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:46 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:HOORAH
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Marine Corps; "Oorah".
The h is silent
Nope, "Oorah"; from the submarine klaxon sound "Aarugha", shortened to "Oorah!" by 1st Marine Amphibious Reconnaissance Company, in 1953
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:03 pm

No I don't think so.