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[StCapps]

On paper, super-battleships like the Bismark made a ton of sense too..

But.. when you build shit like that, your enemies tend to go out of their way to sink it, all hands lost.

Indeed. However aircraft carriers are still quite useful if properly protected by other naval and military assets, and aircraft carriers have been and are more useful than super-battleships ever were. Aircraft carriers will become obsolete one day, but that day isn't anytime soon. No need to put all your naval eggs in the aircraft carrier basket, but they are far from useless at this point.

[Speaker to Animals]

On paper, super-battleships like the Bismark made a ton of sense too..

But.. when you build shit like that, your enemies tend to go out of their way to sink it, all hands lost.

Indeed. However aircraft carriers are still quite useful if properly protected by other naval and military assets, and aircraft carriers have been and are more useful than super-battleships ever were. They will be obsolete one day, but that day isn't anytime soon.

The WHOLE THING is a target, capps. The whole fucking group. Why mass that many ships and sailors in one little area? This is the age of ICBMs.

[StCapps]

The WHOLE THING is a target, capps. The whole fucking flotilla. Why mass that many ships and sailors in one little area? This is the age of ICBMs.

If they can't hit the target, it doesn't matter how big the target is.

[Speaker to Animals]

Dude. I don't know what to tell you. That's a great plan. All we need to do is ensure that we destroy all their missiles and boomers and the carrier groups are safe. What could possibly go wrong with that plan??

[StCapps]

Dude. I don't know what to tell you. That's a great plan. All we need to do is ensure that we destroy all their missiles and boomers and the carrier groups are safe. What could possibly go wrong with that plan??

You seem to think it's the end of the world if you lose an aircraft carrier. Just because they aren't invulnerable and can't operate with complete impunity under all circumstances, doesn't mean they are obsolete or even close to it. Derp.

One day Aircraft Carriers will be obsolete, but until that day I don't see the need to pretend they are next super battleships when that level of obsolescence is decades away at the soonest.

[Speaker to Animals]

Dude. I don't know what to tell you. That's a great plan. All we need to do is ensure that we destroy all their missiles and boomers and the carrier groups are safe. What could possibly go wrong with that plan??

You seem to think it's the end of the world if you lose an aircraft carrier. Just because they aren't invulnerable and can't operate with complete impunity under all circumstances, doesn't mean they are obsolete. Derp.

Where did I say it's the end of the world?

It's a fucking disaster, especially for the seven to ten thousand sailors who serve in a carrier group, but not the "end of the world".

You can't really defend these things, capps. They are designed to generate money for the MIC, but have little strategic value.

There has to be a principle in military science related to building a "big fucking thing" that costs huge sums of your national treasure, which then becomes the primary target in a war. It's not a good idea.

[StCapps]

Where did I say it's the end of the world?

It's a fucking disaster, especially for the seven to ten thousand sailors who serve in a carrier group, but not the "end of the world".

You can't really defend these things, capps. They are designed to generate money for the MIC, but have little strategic value.

They have plenty of strategic value. Being vulnerable in certain circumstances does not mean they are of little strategic value, nukes are vulnerable in certain circumstances too, they aren't close to obsolete or of little strategic value just because that is the case. Your arguments against carrier groups suck.

[Speaker to Animals]

Where did I say it's the end of the world?

It's a fucking disaster, especially for the seven to ten thousand sailors who serve in a carrier group, but not the "end of the world".

You can't really defend these things, capps. They are designed to generate money for the MIC, but have little strategic value.

They have plenty of strategic value. Being vulnerable in certain circumstances does not mean they are of little strategic value, nukes are vulnerable in certain circumstances too, they aren't close to obsolete or of little strategic value just because that is the case. Your arguments against carrier groups suck.

They have value in intimidating non-consequential nations. Against a real foe: nada.

The Russians would sink our carrier groups in a fucking orgy if we ever got into a shooting war with them. So could the Chinese.

[StCapps]

They have value in intimidating non-consequential nations. Against a real foe: nada.

The Russians would sink our carrier groups in a fucking orgy if we ever got into a shooting war with them. So could the Chinese.

So you keep the carriers out of harms way until you clear out a safe path for them to operate and use your other assets in those situations until you do. That's so far from obsolete, I don't get why you would even bring it up as being a thing to worry about. If they have assets in place to impede your carriers operations, take out those assets and then move in, simple as that. No need to throw your aircraft carriers into the teeth of their most effective counter assets, that would just be retarded. Just because aircraft carriers can't lead the charge into the heart of the greatest military rivals defenses is not grounds for obsolescence.

[Speaker to Animals]

They have value in intimidating non-consequential nations. Against a real foe: nada.

The Russians would sink our carrier groups in a fucking orgy if we ever got into a shooting war with them. So could the Chinese.

So you keep the carriers out of harms way until you clear out a safe path for them to operate and use your other assets in those situations until you do. That's so far from obsolete, I don't get why you would even bring it up as being a thing to worry about. If they have assets in place to impede your carriers operations, take out those assets and then move in, simple as that. No need to throw your aircraft carriers into the teeth of their most effective counter assets, that would just be retarded.

Hence: Bismark.

Can't sail out into the open sea, because they will send everything to sink you. Keep it at port, tucked away and safe if a real war breaks out.

What exactly did we pay for then? Times 11, by the way.