Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

[Smitty-48]

Your need to "jibber jabber" on about just how much you totally are ignoring me, and excatly how I make you feel, is certainly boring me now.

I wouldn't say ignore, I mean, I'll skim your stuff to see if there is anything of any particular interest to me, but since you have a tendency to just go round and round without ever getting to a cogent point, I tend to move on early in the process, once in awhile you come up with something mildly interesting, but most of the time, when BjornP starts gumming up a thread with his blah-blah-blah to nowhere, I just move on to another thread, and maybe come back later, if somebody more interesting comes along.

I find you to be boring, and you never really make a point of any interest to me, you spend most of your time declaiming other peoples points without really going anywhere with it, but that's an entirely subjective analysis, if some sucker is up for twenty five pages of B-jorn blather to nowhere, you declaiming their points without ever getting to a point therein, I ain't stopping them, to each his own, it's simply of little to no interest to me.

See, what I like is to just get to a point, to sum something up, to make the complex into something cogent, whereas you, you like to dig down into the weeds and go round and round with it, until I don't even remember what it is you were talking about in the first place, and that, just ain't my thing, nothing personal, no hard feelings, just sayun'.

Again, broad strokes and simple terms; I'm not interested in the infinite complexity of things, as that actually reduces it to irrelevance by never summing it up and getting to a point, but that's not an attack on you, if that's what you're interested in, knock yourself out, it's not like you need me to chase your own tail after all. Or maybe you do, but I simply decline; thanks, but no thanks.

Bear in mind, I am in no way trying to prevent you from shading the Russo-Soviet-Russo divide, until there is nothing but grey and nobody knows what your point is, go on with all that, no need to stop on my account, I'll just be doing something else, until things get back on point at some point, likely after you've exhausted your shading it all into irrelevance routine.

Oh, and if this bores you? Well, good, that's what you get for derailing things just to shade the point into irrelevance, when the original point of "Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same country" really didn't call for a BjornP offramp to nowhere in the first place, and the fact that you felt that the simple cogent relevant point did call for you to offramp it into a grey shaded nowhere, simply speaks to why I find you to be so tedious, so you can just consider this to be tedious for tedious tit for tat, friction for friction, in the face of pointless friction.

[Speaker to Animals]

So what happens when Russia actively takes the side of most of America against the handful of cities that support the Deep State and out-of-control federal government?

[Smitty-48]

So what happens when Russia actively takes the side of most of America against the handful of cities that support the Deep State and out-of-control federal government?

According to the "Deep State", is that not the charge at the moment? Is that not the essence of "Russia Collusion!" already?

Sems to me, the panic about Americans straying too far from the WNSC, is already at hand, how much more hysterical can it get? Hysterical is hysterical, and seems pretty hysterical already.

A Red Scare is a Red Scare, I don't really see it as being a question of degrees, what's the difference between a "minor" Red Scare panic and "major" Red Scare panic? Panic is panic.

[Smitty-48]

Just the fact that the Washington Establishment is trying to invoke a "law" which "prohibits" Americans from being influenced or trying to influence, based on information gleaned from non approved "foreign" sources, that seems to be one of those phony baloney fundamentally and inherently unconstitutional, and ultimately absurd statutes, which, are only ever invoked when the Entrenched Interests are in a total panic, in order to conflate dissent against them with some branding of "treason".

You can't get the dirt on Hillary Clinton if some foreigner stole that dirt from Clinton and then decided to out that dirt to you? Says who? George III?

I think the answer to your question is arguably that the threatening element will simply be assailed by a ginned up fishing expedition witch hunt, in order to find some sort of offence under any statute which can be invoked, for any reason, for the purposes of criminalizing dissent and insulating the Estblishment from.

They invoke "collusion" as the rubric, and then from there they just let Robert Mueller go on a fishing expedition in order to find something, anything, whether related to the stated mandate or not, maybe they can get you on this, maybe they can get you on that, if they fish deep enough and for long enough, eventually, they'll be able to gin up something, even if it's total chickenshit, so long as they can invoke a law against it, mission accomplished.

[Speaker to Animals]

I agree that they are acting like little girls, and that there is nothing to this Russia conspiracy (at least no evidence to date), but I can well see something like this actually happening and even happening out in the open.

This would especially be the case if the democrats somehow made a comeback and took power of the federal government again.

I am not sure we can put this back together and I think things are a lot worse than they appear right now. The only thing keeping it hanging together by a thread is the cowardice and lack of resolve in the average democrat. If Hillary won, I think you'd already see some real "#resistance" to the federal government all across the American heartland by now. I am not saying armed action or anything, but outright refusal to cooperate or even allow those fuckers into our communities.

I just don't see how we can put this back together, and it's actually in Russia's interest to back the American heartland against the handful of big cities and their Deep State Babylon.

[Smitty-48]

I don't even see the Russia "conspiracy" as being a crime, even if it went down the way most Democrats assert, so for example, let's say the KGB breaks into the Watergate Hotel, instead of Gordon Liddy and Associates, it's Directorate S, so they don't get caught, and they get everything in the DNC files, but after they look at it, they decide that it's mostly chickenshit, political dirt perhaps, but nothing earth shattering.

But at the same time, the Kremlin decides that it would rather deal with Richard Nixon than George McGovern for some reason, so they take the files which they stole, put it in a brown envelope, and mail it to Roger Stone, who then brings it all to Richard Nixon's attention, who then outs the dirt on the campaign trail?

No crime is that, as far as I can see, other than break and enter by the KGB, which, go ahead and catch them if you can, Richard Nixon never told you not to, but that don't make it a crime, for Richard Nixon to out the dirt on the DNC, after that dirt is already in the wind, regardless of who or where it came from.

Bear in mind. Nikita Krushchev directed the KGB to do everything it could to help Jack Kennedy get elected in 1960, to the point where Krushchev actually boasted to JFK "I got you elected" when they first met face to face, and that was the Soviets, at the height of the Cold War.

Before they had a falling out over Cuba, JFK and Krushchev had a Trump-Putin style bromance going on, and there were all sorts of back channels in play, both during and after the election, yet, nobody has ever called that "collusion with the Soviets", thus, it's clearly a selective application, based on whether the electorare has chosen the "correct" candidate, or not.

[Smitty-48]

Another abusrdly Orwellian aspect to this "investigation", with the GOP and Democrat party establishments colluding to effect a poltical crime fishing expedition witch hunt against any candidate which the electorate chooses, who might threaten the entrenched interests of the established order in Washington...

... I mean, this is exactly what they do in Russia, this is how United Russia maintains its grip on the Kremlin, thus, so much for "protecting American democracy from Russian influence", the RNC and DNC, are the ones who are colluding, straight out of the Kremlin's playbook as they go.

[Speaker to Animals]

Another abusrdly Orwellian aspect to this "investigation", with the GOP and Democrat party establishments colluding to effect a poltical crime fishing expedition witch hunt against any candidate which the electorate chooses, who might threaten the entrenched interests of the established order in Washington...

... I mean, this is exactly what they do in Russia, this is how United Russia maintains its grip on the Kremlin, thus, so much for "protecting American democracy from Russian influence" ,the RNC and DNC, are operating in collusion, straight out of the Kremlin's playbook here.

That's another good point.

[Smitty-48]

And of course, they would have done this to Bernie Sanders too, doesn't really matter if the "incorrect candidate" is voted in by the Left or the Right, United Washington will go KGB against anybody who the electorate votes into office, if they don't have that candidate under their thumbs, you can vote in an Uncle Tom Obama, that's fine, you could vote in a Johnny Cuck McCain, no problemo, but anybody like Trump, or Sanders, or Paul, you know, a rabble rouser, a shit disturber, a rogue element who is not getting with the program, that's not OK, that will have to be "investigated", until they can get something on them, at the very least to derail their agenda, if they can't get a case for impeachment somehow, by poltical crime fishing expedition, or really whatever means necessary in the end.

[Fife]

And of course, they would have done this to Bernie Sanders too, doesn't really matter if the "incorrect candidate" is voted in by the Left or the Right, United Washington will go KGB against anybody who the electorate votes into office, if they don't have that candidate under their thumbs, you can vote in an Uncle Tom Obama, that's fine, you could vote in a Johnny Cuck McCain, no problemo, but anybody like Trump, or Sanders, or Paul, you know, a rabble rouser, a shit disturber, a rogue element who is not getting with the program, that's not OK, that will have to be "investigated", until they can get something on them, at the very least to derail their agenda, if they can't get a case for impeachment somehow, by poltical crime fishing expedition, or really whatever means necessary in the end.

Compare Trump with Paul. Trump is orders of magnitude better than what we would have gotten with Hillary; but how am I supposed to trust anything he says? At least Hillary was a transparent war-monger.