THE ERA OF TRUMP

[TheReal_ND]

Tldr where's the banter?

[Smitty-48]

Trump is not going to win this with an Executive Order, the Executive Order will get overturned, that is what the Judge is saying, the Administration is saying that the EO is the law, because Congress authorized it, but Congress did not actually authorize it explicity, so methinks Trump will have to go back to Congress and get them to write the specifics into the law. Which they probably would.

To wit, can be done, but can't be done with Obama's authorization, need additional authorization for additional measures, an Executive Order is not the law; go back to Congress.

So long as Trump works through Congress, he's likley to get everything he wants, but if he tries to do it all by Executive Order, he'll be on shaky ground all over the place.

[Speaker to Animals]

Trump is not going to win this with an Executive Order, the Executive Order will get overturned, that is what the Judge is saying, the Administration is saying that the EO is the law, because Congress authorized it, but Congress did not actually authorize it explicity, so methinks Trump will have to go back to Congress and get them to write the specifics into the law. Which they probably would.

To wit, can be done, but can't be done with Obama's authorization, need additional authorization for additional measures, an Executive Order is not the law; go back to Congress.

So long as Trump works through Congress, he's likley to get everything he wants, but if he tries to it all by Excutive Order, he'll be on shaky ground all over the place.

I think the plan is that he will eventually get Congress to do it for him. By throwing this EO out there, he let the democrats make the fatal mistake of fighting it in the courts.

Democrats have been keen on enforcing their ideology through the tyranny of politicized courts. Trump knows this. He also knows the odds that yet another terror attack, or rape, or some other bullshit perpetrated by one of these immigrants is quite likely. at which point he can skewer the democrats in the public square.

One more situation like that little girl in Idaho getting anally raped by the Muslim refugees the federal government resettled in her apartment complex, and the democrats are done. Trump will be on national television saying he tried to prevent this, he tried to put the American people first, but the democrats through their activist judges decided the American people mean nothing.

A lot of what Trump does is not easily predictable, but this one is. This is like watching another slow-motion train wreck. The democrats are cranking the steam full throttle on this one, and I can see the other train coming around the bend already.

[Smitty-48]

Yes, I agree, the flurry of rapid fire Executive Orders was a kind of bum rush to bait the Democrats, get them to swing at the pitches, but still just a place holder until you can get the legislative backing.

[Penner]

The way that I see is a bit like StA (DSL) mentioned above but more like that Trump does want an incident with a Muslim immigrant, where he can say, "lookie here, this is what I was trying to stop", but the issue for the courts is actually about the fact that this EO has blocked people holding valid visas and green cards entry or reentry into the US. This is where the legal battle is forming over and this something that no president has done before, so there seems to be no legal precedent for this kind of EO to take hold of.

[Speaker to Animals]

The way that I see is a bit like StA (DSL) mentioned above but more like that Trump does want an incident with a Muslim immigrant, where he can say, "lookie here, this is what I was trying to stop", but the issue for the courts is actually about the fact that this EO has blocked people holding valid visas and green cards entry or reentry into the US. This is where the legal battle is forming over and this something that no president has done before, so there seems to be no legal precedent for this kind of EO to take hold of.

And those people do not possess any right to reenter the US. So what?

Nobody has the right to immigrate to any particular country.

The idea that these people have some unalienable right to return to America simply because they had a green card is ridiculous. The federal government can revoke that green card as it sees fit. What the democrats essentially argue is that every human being has a natural right to move to America.

Let's at least be upfront about what you people believe.

[Penner]

The way that I see is a bit like StA (DSL) mentioned above but more like that Trump does want an incident with a Muslim immigrant, where he can say, "lookie here, this is what I was trying to stop", but the issue for the courts is actually about the fact that this EO has blocked people holding valid visas and green cards entry or reentry into the US. This is where the legal battle is forming over and this something that no president has done before, so there seems to be no legal precedent for this kind of EO to take hold of.

And those people do not possess any right to reenter the US. So what?

Nobody has the right to immigrate to any particular country.

The idea that these people have some unalienable right to return to America simply because they had a green card is ridiculous. The federal government can revoke that green card as it sees fit. What the democrats essentially argue is that every human being has a natural right to move to America.

Let's at least be upfront about what you people believe.

A few things:

1. They were already granted to be allowed to be here- legally. They went through the legal legwork of coming here and was granted the right to come here, by the US government. They are not illegals jumping the border fence but people who have applied, through the US government, and were granted the right to move here.

2. These people haven't committed any crime, they only got permission to travel, nor were their visas/green cards revoked by the US government.

3. Trump, by trying to ban legal residents has gone too far, in his banned and he can't do anything of the like unless he has the act of Congress- which he didn't. That is the legal case being formed here.

[Speaker to Animals]

The way that I see is a bit like StA (DSL) mentioned above but more like that Trump does want an incident with a Muslim immigrant, where he can say, "lookie here, this is what I was trying to stop", but the issue for the courts is actually about the fact that this EO has blocked people holding valid visas and green cards entry or reentry into the US. This is where the legal battle is forming over and this something that no president has done before, so there seems to be no legal precedent for this kind of EO to take hold of.

And those people do not possess any right to reenter the US. So what?

Nobody has the right to immigrate to any particular country.

The idea that these people have some unalienable right to return to America simply because they had a green card is ridiculous. The federal government can revoke that green card as it sees fit. What the democrats essentially argue is that every human being has a natural right to move to America.

Let's at least be upfront about what you people believe.

A few things:

1. They were already granted to be allowed to be here- legally. They went through the legal legwork of coming here and was granted the right to come here, by the US government. They are not illegals jumping the border fence but people who have applied, through the US government, and were granted the right to move here.

2. These people haven't committed any crime, they only got permission to travel, nor were their visas/green cards revoked by the US government.

3. Trump, by trying to ban legal residents has gone too far, in his banned and he can't do anything of the like unless he has the act of Congress- which he didn't. That is the legal case being formed here.

1. And that agreement was always predicated on the fact that the federal government could at any time order them to return home.

2. Doesn't matter.

3. No, he has not. Those people possess no right to live here. They reside and work here at our pleasure. That's it. No foreigner has a right to live here.

[Penner]

And those people do not possess any right to reenter the US. So what?

Nobody has the right to immigrate to any particular country.

The idea that these people have some unalienable right to return to America simply because they had a green card is ridiculous. The federal government can revoke that green card as it sees fit. What the democrats essentially argue is that every human being has a natural right to move to America.

Let's at least be upfront about what you people believe.

A few things:

1. They were already granted to be allowed to be here- legally. They went through the legal legwork of coming here and was granted the right to come here, by the US government. They are not illegals jumping the border fence but people who have applied, through the US government, and were granted the right to move here.

2. These people haven't committed any crime, they only got permission to travel, nor were their visas/green cards revoked by the US government.

3. Trump, by trying to ban legal residents has gone too far, in his banned and he can't do anything of the like unless he has the act of Congress- which he didn't. That is the legal case being formed here.

1. And that agreement was always predicated on the fact that the federal government could at any time order them to return home.

2. Doesn't matter.

3. No, he has not. Those people possess no right to live here. They reside and work here at our pleasure. That's it. No foreigner has a right to live here.

Unfortunately for Trump, he didn't go through any of the proper channels and now this may go to the Sumperm Court- USSC. I say if this does to the USSC and this judges' decision gets help up, this is probably a good thing. It will start to limit any future EOs.

[Speaker to Animals]

No, he did do it right. The executive branch carries out immigration law and his executive order is meant to manage how the executive branch conducts business. That's exactly what an EO is for.

Nor is this the first time a president has barred immigration by a group a people. Obama did it. Carter did it. A ton of presidents did it in the past.

Trump did nothing wrong. Get that through your ideological brain force field.