Poll: Who Supports the Idea of a White Ethno State?

[Speaker to Animals]

If they are willing to be more Murican than the Muricans. Embracing the Consitution, flexiblity, putting truth ahead of dogmas...etc Yes.

The problem is manifest throughout American history. For instance, when LBJ passed the Fair Housing Act, blacks moved en masse out into the near suburbs. Most of them wanted what those suburbs had and to be what the white residents in the suburbs were. But they killed the near suburbs by just moving in there. This was the origin of white flight.

Just wanting to be something doesn't make you that thing. I might want very much to be accepted in some Latin American community as a member of their society, but the truth is, I will NEVER be accepted as one of them. They can be great people and we can get along just fine, but I am not their people and they are not my people.

The worst part of this is that the Multicult entices nonwhites to attempt this, promising them that they can be just like whites, and lots of people immigrate here, have children here, and plant roots here. But they can never be what they wanted to be. They get disconnected from their own people and this is a the source of a lot angst and existential problems. I criticize the SJWs where they deserve it (which is most of the time), but the nonwhite SJWs are absolutely correct that living in a white society creates a lot of issues for them. You are surrounded by people who are not like you. People with a different shared history from your own, different values, different upbringing, etc.

You could have asked black people a long time ago how this turns out. What we did to the American black population was horrendous. We stole them from their homelands. We robbed them of their language, culture, religion, history, and even their capacity to read and learn. They were a people with a brutally imposed amnesia, transported to a foreign land and, after a time, they were set free to somehow compete with a majority population who still possessed their history, shared values, institutions, culture, and religion.

Black Americans are an example of just how bad this really is. But how long do you think it takes to find examples of Asian Americans complaining about similar problems? At the end of the day, it's fucking weird to be surrounded by people who are not like you. Your human instincts are screaming for you to find your tribe, and yet your social conditioning is telling you "this is fine". You're going to have problems from that. I don't care who you are. That's why nonwhites absolutely need their own racial spaces. There is nothing wrong with it. It's basically a triage for the damage inflicted upon people by the Multicult.

I am making a guess here from your screen name that you are of Asian descent. Do you really believe that I could immigrate to the nation from which your family originates and be accepted as one of them? Say it was Japan for the sake of argument, do you really believe that I could become truly "Japanese"? The fact is that I cannot. I can never be one of your people anymore than you can become one of mine.

There are a lot of white-skinned South Americans. Natives, in fact.

Saw a red haired Cuban guy on Bourdain just the other day.

You have absolutely. No. Idea. What you’re talking about. But it’s fun to watch.

Oh, yeah. Lots of South America is like us. Argentina was originally a mostly white nation like the United States. There weren't that many people living around there.

Most of the indigenous people in the Americas lived in Mesoamerica and the Andes (Peru and Bolivia). There was a huge civilization in the Amazon we know jack shit about, but that's about it. Everything else was relatively sparsely populated.

Cubans were mostly white before Castro imported a shit ton of black people. Most of the exiles are white. They are descended from Spanish colonists.

It's a mistake to assume that everything south of our border is all Mesoamerican or Andean civilization. It's not.

Apparently you don't read what I said or you have absolutely. No. Idea. How to read.

[Fife]

Maybe Catass forgot his Borges.

LOL J/K he's never heard of Borges.

[Montegriffo]

Don't talk unless you can improve the silence.

[heydaralon]

Maybe Catass forgot his Borges.

LOL J/K he's never heard of Borges.

My favorite author. That guy can make you think more in a 12 page short story than most authors can in a full length novel.
Fife, what is your favorite Borges story? I really like The Circular Ruins and The Library one. The Lottery one was good too!

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Let's look at it from the other direction.

I absolutely love Japanese culture, history, and society. I love the ritual and mode of existence.

But I can never be Japanese. I can move there and try to learn the rituals, customs, language, etc., but it's always just going to be a hollow imitation. An affectation. When it gets down to it, I will choose to solve problems in a distinctly western (really, American) way rather than a Japanese way. If I try to start a business, I will probably run it like an American would run a business rather than how a Japanese man would run it. If I get married, then I will bring to that marriage western ideals and I will treat my wife not really as a Japanese woman but as a European woman to some extent.

Now consider what happens if a huge number of Anglos like me migrate to Japan. Will we seek to draw a consensus amongst ourselves to do things our own way at least some of the time? Probably. Over time, and with more Anglos coming in, we will slowly Anglicize the Japanese culture. What we will get down the line is something closer to America on the island of Japan, but not the beautiful Japanese culture and homeland we fell in love with in the first place.

I can never be that. I can only admire Japanese culture from a distance and with my own European/American perspective.


The same is true of all the other nonwestern people who wish to move to America. They will never be truly like what they want to join, and by coming here in such large numbers, they will slowly transform it into what they left behind. In very small numbers, as Japan allows small numbers of Anglos to come, work, and reside for a time, they can come here, enrich our lives, and prosper. But for that to work, the numbers have to be so small that they will never, ever be anywhere close to even a sizable minority of the population, much less the majority.

Mass migration with the intent of becoming the majority demographic is not immigration as we conceive of it, but rather colonization. It's the invasion by one people into another people's homeland with the intent to transform it into a new nation and slowly dilute or eradicate the previous population. That's what we have now, and anything short of what we call "white nationalism" is exactly that. If you don't support that happening here, then you are by definition a white nationalist.

But if you, like many Latinos today, support mass migration of your own people because you want to overthrow the existing population and take over, then you are also an ethno-nationalist -- just a Latino nationalist.

And if you, like so many misguided liberals as we have seen here, support the destruction of your own people because somehow you believe you will have a seat at the table when Mexicans become the majority of America, then you are just a moron. Really. There's no other explanation for it. I can understand ethnic minorities wanting to overthrow the white majority. That's just human nature. But for whites to support it is a kind of suicidal insanity. These people are hopelessly indoctrinated.

I know the White World discussion has moved, but I would like to address this with some specific cases.

Traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu, while very interesting and aesthetically pleasing, is a dead cultural artifact. Nothing more than a museum performance-piece. Fortunately, Jigoro Kano, in his wisdom, realized that it could survive if it could adapt and spread. Judo has combined with Russian sambo, Mongolian wrestling, moved into Europe and was adapted to different, lankier body types, and is an awesome, living sport.

It moved into Brazil where the ground game was kicked into 8th gear. I mean, I've done ground work with Judo players, and they beat me in ways that are at least comprehensible. Rolling with people with a BJJ background is like getting beat by a friggin' warlock sometimes.

If you want cultural artifacts preserved under glass, go to a godamn museum. If you are interested in what is 'natural,' which you often pretend to be an expert on, then let's talk about nature.

Of course there are going to be conflicts, but conflict is how things evolve and improve. Often in totally unpredictable ways. Your version of culture is, at best, effectively mummified, at worst, straight up necrotic.

Honestly, for someone who extols the virtues of masculinity so vociferously, I am at a loss to understand why you are so opposed to a little conflict and creative destruction.

It gives me the impression that people who are overly concerned with purity and preservation are really concerned that they can't compete and survive in a free exchange.

[Speaker to Animals]

Let's look at it from the other direction.

I absolutely love Japanese culture, history, and society. I love the ritual and mode of existence.

But I can never be Japanese. I can move there and try to learn the rituals, customs, language, etc., but it's always just going to be a hollow imitation. An affectation. When it gets down to it, I will choose to solve problems in a distinctly western (really, American) way rather than a Japanese way. If I try to start a business, I will probably run it like an American would run a business rather than how a Japanese man would run it. If I get married, then I will bring to that marriage western ideals and I will treat my wife not really as a Japanese woman but as a European woman to some extent.

Now consider what happens if a huge number of Anglos like me migrate to Japan. Will we seek to draw a consensus amongst ourselves to do things our own way at least some of the time? Probably. Over time, and with more Anglos coming in, we will slowly Anglicize the Japanese culture. What we will get down the line is something closer to America on the island of Japan, but not the beautiful Japanese culture and homeland we fell in love with in the first place.

I can never be that. I can only admire Japanese culture from a distance and with my own European/American perspective.


The same is true of all the other nonwestern people who wish to move to America. They will never be truly like what they want to join, and by coming here in such large numbers, they will slowly transform it into what they left behind. In very small numbers, as Japan allows small numbers of Anglos to come, work, and reside for a time, they can come here, enrich our lives, and prosper. But for that to work, the numbers have to be so small that they will never, ever be anywhere close to even a sizable minority of the population, much less the majority.

Mass migration with the intent of becoming the majority demographic is not immigration as we conceive of it, but rather colonization. It's the invasion by one people into another people's homeland with the intent to transform it into a new nation and slowly dilute or eradicate the previous population. That's what we have now, and anything short of what we call "white nationalism" is exactly that. If you don't support that happening here, then you are by definition a white nationalist.

But if you, like many Latinos today, support mass migration of your own people because you want to overthrow the existing population and take over, then you are also an ethno-nationalist -- just a Latino nationalist.

And if you, like so many misguided liberals as we have seen here, support the destruction of your own people because somehow you believe you will have a seat at the table when Mexicans become the majority of America, then you are just a moron. Really. There's no other explanation for it. I can understand ethnic minorities wanting to overthrow the white majority. That's just human nature. But for whites to support it is a kind of suicidal insanity. These people are hopelessly indoctrinated.

I know the White World discussion has moved, but I would like to address this with some specific cases.

Traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu, while very interesting and aesthetically pleasing, is a dead cultural artifact. Nothing more than a museum performance-piece. Fortunately, Jigoro Kano, in his wisdom, realized that it could survive if it could adapt and spread. Judo has combined with Russian sambo, Mongolian wrestling, moved into Europe and was adapted to different, lankier body types, and is an awesome, living sport.

It moved into Brazil where the ground game was kicked into 8th gear. I mean, I've done ground work with Judo players, and they beat me in ways that are at least comprehensible. Rolling with people with a BJJ background is like getting beat by a friggin' warlock sometimes.

If you want cultural artifacts preserved under glass, go to a godamn museum. If you are interested in what is 'natural,' which you often pretend to be an expert on, then let's talk about nature.

Of course there are going to be conflicts, but conflict is how things evolve and improve. Often in totally unpredictable ways. Your version of culture is, at best, effectively mummified, at worst, straight up necrotic.

Honestly, for someone who extols the virtues of masculinity so vociferously, I am at a loss to understand why you are so opposed to a little conflict and creative destruction.

It gives me the impression that people who are overly concerned with purity and preservation are really concerned that they can't compete and survive in a free exchange.

I do not oppose anything you just said. Having an ethno-state does not mean you refuse to talk to other cultures, exchange ideas, and evolve. It's silly that you think so.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I do not oppose anything you just said. Having an ethno-state does not mean you refuse to talk to other cultures, exchange ideas, and evolve. It's silly that you think so.

Fair enough, but I have to ask you the same thing I asked Nuke: If all you really seem to be interested in is immigration reform, why go to the trouble of trying to define that as an ethno-state (which I still think is dubious, especially in the States)? It just seems like burdening a potentially good idea with a decidedly bad one, effectively hurting the case for sensible, and mutually beneficial policies.

[TheReal_ND]

If all you really seem to be interested in is immigration reform, why go to the trouble of trying to define that as an ethno-state

If all you cared about was the people that comprised a nation prosper, why would you go all the way to signal for white genocide and guilt susceptible people into accepting porous borders?

[Speaker to Animals]

I do not oppose anything you just said. Having an ethno-state does not mean you refuse to talk to other cultures, exchange ideas, and evolve. It's silly that you think so.

Fair enough, but I have to ask you the same thing I asked Nuke: If all you really seem to be interested in is immigration reform, why go to the trouble of trying to define that as an ethno-state (which I still think is dubious, especially in the States)? It just seems like burdening a potentially good idea with a decidedly bad one, effectively hurting the case for sensible, and mutually beneficial policies.

Because what we had before literally was an ethno-state. If you oppose foreign peoples colonizing our nation, then you support an ethno-state. If you support an immigration policy designed to maintain a white majority, then you support an ethno-state. Supporting an ethno-state does not mean you are a Nazi, or you hate anybody, or that you don't want to have any nonwhites in your community. It means that you recognize what you love most about your society and culture arises from your people.

All the things you said you love about America will be strangled out of existence when whites are no longer a majority in this country. Mexicans don't want an America that represents the things you love. Arabs and Pakistanis definitely don't want any of that. Recognizing this doesn't mean you hate them. It just means you want to keep things relatively stable. Let in enough nonwhites to achieve some level of diversity that profits us but does not destroy us.

But most importantly, just not using euphemisms and having this drag out fight with people over it is the only way to de-program a lot of them from the conditioning. Still, a lot of you don't realize how powerful that fucking television is or how effective Hollywood is at conditioning you. I guarantee when you read some of the things I posted, your mind played out some programmed scene from a television show or a film where a character made this virtuous stand against "hate" in a way that frames simply wanting to keep a white majority is somehow evil. That's conditioning. It's brainwashing. There is nothing wrong with wanting to maintain a majority white American population.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Because what we had before literally was an ethno-state. If you oppose foreign peoples colonizing our nation, then you support an ethno-state. If you support an immigration policy designed to maintain a white majority, then you support an ethno-state. Supporting an ethno-state does not mean you are a Nazi, or you hate anybody, or that you don't want to have any nonwhites in your community. It means that you recognize what you love most about your society and culture arises from your people.

All the things you said you love about America will be strangled out of existence when whites are no longer a majority in this country. Mexicans don't want an America that represents the things you love. Arabs and Pakistanis definitely don't want any of that. Recognizing this doesn't mean you hate them. It just means you want to keep things relatively stable. Let in enough nonwhites to achieve some level of diversity that profits us but does not destroy us.

But most importantly, just not using euphemisms and having this drag out fight with people over it is the only way to de-program a lot of them from the conditioning. Still, a lot of you don't realize how powerful that fucking television is or how effective Hollywood is at conditioning you. I guarantee when you read some of the things I posted, your mind played out some programmed scene from a television show or a film where a character made this virtuous stand against "hate" in a way that frames simply wanting to keep a white majority is somehow evil. That's conditioning. It's brainwashing. There is nothing wrong with wanting to maintain a majority white American population.

Your definition of ethno-state seems to be so damn broad that you consider 'state' to be a euphemism for 'ethno-state.' Even without quibbling over definitions, and accepting such a broad one, The United States are not, have not been, and almost by definition can not be an ethno-state.

I don't think supporting an ethno-sate makes someone hateful or a Nazi, I think it makes them confused about the benefits of rule of law and enlightenment nation states.

Now, I am confident that the things I love about America can weather just about any storm because I think I love the things that are superior in America, and the European enlightenment in general. The things that are so superior that they can survive and thrive open conflict, and will only evolve and improve. But then, I am an actual patriot who appreciates the enlightenment, not a Papist that wants to see America broken apart and destroyed.

I get that you think I am woefully indoctrinated by MSNBC and sitcom reruns, but I am surprised that you would think, from reading my posts, that I view myself as a hero in some sort of morality play. I don't think keeping a white majority is evil, I think it is, basically, neutral, but am suspicious of the restrictive or autocratic policies that would be required to maintain it, and question the wisdom of basing laws on slippery ideas like ethnicity, race, or culture.

It would be especially absurd for me to view myself as heroic in this debate, since I have been defending the much easier position that already enjoys majority support.

edit: embarrassing spelling error.