NFL 2017

[clubgop]

Don't forget San Fran.

Yup, under multiple QB and Coaches if I remember correctly. Still can’t compare to Brady and the Pats.

Same dynastic tree. That actually should be more impressive show the strength of the franchise despite the changing dynamics. Think about the Pats after Bellichik and Brady which could be sooner than you think.

[Penner]

So what you are saying is that other teams are better cheaters because they haven’t been caught? Gotcha.

What I am saying is that they reason why they get caught cheating is because they are cheating. Most other teams actually play by the rules. Some of them DO get caught cheating but not under the same coach and QB for YEARS. After Spygate Kraft should've fired Belichick but he didn't. Then again, maybe Kraft was in on it all along? I mean for crying out loud they posed as the media and used fake names like, "Kraft Productions"so they can spy on them. It was literally a systematic way of cheating and the worst thing was that no one was punish for it. Instead, Pat fans bitch as if THEY were the victims or something because everyone was hating on their team for actually cheating:

The report details Spygate as we've never heard it, painting a picture of systematic cheating that went way further and looks way worse for the Patriots than people previously realized.

First, the Patriots had a detailed, efficient system for finding out opponents' plays. ESPN's Don Van Natta Jr. and Seth Wickersham describe a scene in Patriots coach Bill Belichick's office before a season-opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

"[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs' signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe."

Van Natta and Wickersham report that although the Patriots lost that game, they realized a "schematic" edge over other teams. They "streamlined the system," finding a more efficient way to note the plays and relay the information, cutting out the quarterbacks, with only a few people, including Belichick.

Soon, advanced scouts would be sent to the games of upcoming Patriots' opponents to film the play signals. The scouts would go undercover as media members, with media credentials listed under "Patriots TV" or "Kraft Productions" and were prepared with excuses of what to say they were filming if security asked.

According to Van Natta and Wickersham, "Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, a tight shot of a cheerleader's top or skirt."

The tapes would then go to a Belichick confidant named Ernie Adams, an "amateur historian of pro football," who would have the tapes edited and match the notes of the play calls and signals to the action on the field.

The Patriots started a library of videotapes from teams all across the league. A former Patriots assistant coach told ESPN "It got out of control."

According to the report, the system grew to the point that the Patriots would add players cut from upcoming opponents to look at Adams' tapes and judge their effectiveness.

But wait, there's more!

The effectiveness of the spying is reportedly debated among former Patriots staffers, some of whom say Adams wasn't good at his job.

Other methods of cheating reportedly include:

Sending low-level Patriots employees to sneak into the visiting locker room during pregame warm-ups and steal the play sheet. As Van Natta and Wickersham note, "The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe."
Sending employees through the visiting team's hotel to try to swipe playbooks and scouting reports.
"Scrambling and jamming" opponent radio headsets to interfere with opponent communication.
Peyton Manning is reportedly paranoid about the Patriots' methods of cheating; he leaves the Patriots' visiting locker room to discuss schemes with coaches in case the room is bugged.

Still, the spying was reportedly the biggest deal. The entire operation came to a head when Eric Mangini, coach of the New York Jets and a former Patriots coach, realized that the Patriots were filming teams. He ordered security to be on alert, and they caught a Patriots employee taping the Jets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-rep ... dal-2015-9

[The Conservative]

Don't forget San Fran.

Yup, under multiple QB and Coaches if I remember correctly. Still can’t compare to Brady and the Pats.

Same dynastic tree. That actually should be more impressive show the strength of the franchise despite the changing dynamics. Think about the Pats after Bellichik and Brady which could be sooner than you think.

Not really...81-94 with no real consistency...

Pats should be on their 7th already if they didn’t throw away their perfect season.

[Penner]

Yup, under multiple QB and Coaches if I remember correctly. Still can’t compare to Brady and the Pats.

Same dynastic tree. That actually should be more impressive show the strength of the franchise despite the changing dynamics. Think about the Pats after Bellichik and Brady which could be sooner than you think.

Not really...81-94 with no real consistency...

Pats should be on their 7th already if they didn’t throw away their perfect season.

That "prefect season" was actually Spygate. Bellichik should've been fired right after that. In my opinion, Karft wuss out and never fired the man..

[The Conservative]

So what you are saying is that other teams are better cheaters because they haven’t been caught? Gotcha.

What I am saying is that they reason why they get caught cheating is because they are cheating. Most other teams actually play by the rules. Some of them DO get caught cheating but not under the same coach and QB for YEARS. After Spygate Kraft should've fired Belichick but he didn't. Then again, maybe Kraft was in on it all along? I mean for crying out loud they posed as the media and used fake names like, "Kraft Productions"so they can spy on them. It was literally a systematic way of cheating and the worst thing was that no one was punish for it. Instead, Pat fans bitch as if THEY were the victims or something because everyone was hating on their team for actually cheating:

The report details Spygate as we've never heard it, painting a picture of systematic cheating that went way further and looks way worse for the Patriots than people previously realized.

First, the Patriots had a detailed, efficient system for finding out opponents' plays. ESPN's Don Van Natta Jr. and Seth Wickersham describe a scene in Patriots coach Bill Belichick's office before a season-opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

"[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs' signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe."

Van Natta and Wickersham report that although the Patriots lost that game, they realized a "schematic" edge over other teams. They "streamlined the system," finding a more efficient way to note the plays and relay the information, cutting out the quarterbacks, with only a few people, including Belichick.

Soon, advanced scouts would be sent to the games of upcoming Patriots' opponents to film the play signals. The scouts would go undercover as media members, with media credentials listed under "Patriots TV" or "Kraft Productions" and were prepared with excuses of what to say they were filming if security asked.

According to Van Natta and Wickersham, "Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, a tight shot of a cheerleader's top or skirt."

The tapes would then go to a Belichick confidant named Ernie Adams, an "amateur historian of pro football," who would have the tapes edited and match the notes of the play calls and signals to the action on the field.

The Patriots started a library of videotapes from teams all across the league. A former Patriots assistant coach told ESPN "It got out of control."

According to the report, the system grew to the point that the Patriots would add players cut from upcoming opponents to look at Adams' tapes and judge their effectiveness.

But wait, there's more!

The effectiveness of the spying is reportedly debated among former Patriots staffers, some of whom say Adams wasn't good at his job.

Other methods of cheating reportedly include:

Sending low-level Patriots employees to sneak into the visiting locker room during pregame warm-ups and steal the play sheet. As Van Natta and Wickersham note, "The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe."
Sending employees through the visiting team's hotel to try to swipe playbooks and scouting reports.
"Scrambling and jamming" opponent radio headsets to interfere with opponent communication.
Peyton Manning is reportedly paranoid about the Patriots' methods of cheating; he leaves the Patriots' visiting locker room to discuss schemes with coaches in case the room is bugged.

Still, the spying was reportedly the biggest deal. The entire operation came to a head when Eric Mangini, coach of the New York Jets and a former Patriots coach, realized that the Patriots were filming teams. He ordered security to be on alert, and they caught a Patriots employee taping the Jets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-rep ... dal-2015-9

Were those video tapes accessible to anybody? Also, other teams were guilty of doing the same thing. It all comes down to were they sucessfull? The answers no.

Even after, teams still complained and their fans even more so because the Patriots are just that good.

Just admit it, there has never been a team like the current Patriots and there has never been a QB like Brady.

Brady is and will be for quite some time the G.O.A.T.

[The Conservative]

Same dynastic tree. That actually should be more impressive show the strength of the franchise despite the changing dynamics. Think about the Pats after Bellichik and Brady which could be sooner than you think.

Not really...81-94 with no real consistency...

Pats should be on their 7th already if they didn’t throw away their perfect season.

That "prefect season" was actually Spygate. Bellichik should've been fired right after that. In my opinion, Karft wuss out and never fired the man..

Just like the other teams caught that year did right?

[Penner]

So what you are saying is that other teams are better cheaters because they haven’t been caught? Gotcha.

What I am saying is that they reason why they get caught cheating is because they are cheating. Most other teams actually play by the rules. Some of them DO get caught cheating but not under the same coach and QB for YEARS. After Spygate Kraft should've fired Belichick but he didn't. Then again, maybe Kraft was in on it all along? I mean for crying out loud they posed as the media and used fake names like, "Kraft Productions"so they can spy on them. It was literally a systematic way of cheating and the worst thing was that no one was punish for it. Instead, Pat fans bitch as if THEY were the victims or something because everyone was hating on their team for actually cheating:

The report details Spygate as we've never heard it, painting a picture of systematic cheating that went way further and looks way worse for the Patriots than people previously realized.

First, the Patriots had a detailed, efficient system for finding out opponents' plays. ESPN's Don Van Natta Jr. and Seth Wickersham describe a scene in Patriots coach Bill Belichick's office before a season-opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

"[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs' signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe."

Van Natta and Wickersham report that although the Patriots lost that game, they realized a "schematic" edge over other teams. They "streamlined the system," finding a more efficient way to note the plays and relay the information, cutting out the quarterbacks, with only a few people, including Belichick.

Soon, advanced scouts would be sent to the games of upcoming Patriots' opponents to film the play signals. The scouts would go undercover as media members, with media credentials listed under "Patriots TV" or "Kraft Productions" and were prepared with excuses of what to say they were filming if security asked.

According to Van Natta and Wickersham, "Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, a tight shot of a cheerleader's top or skirt."

The tapes would then go to a Belichick confidant named Ernie Adams, an "amateur historian of pro football," who would have the tapes edited and match the notes of the play calls and signals to the action on the field.

The Patriots started a library of videotapes from teams all across the league. A former Patriots assistant coach told ESPN "It got out of control."

According to the report, the system grew to the point that the Patriots would add players cut from upcoming opponents to look at Adams' tapes and judge their effectiveness.

But wait, there's more!

The effectiveness of the spying is reportedly debated among former Patriots staffers, some of whom say Adams wasn't good at his job.

Other methods of cheating reportedly include:

Sending low-level Patriots employees to sneak into the visiting locker room during pregame warm-ups and steal the play sheet. As Van Natta and Wickersham note, "The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe."
Sending employees through the visiting team's hotel to try to swipe playbooks and scouting reports.
"Scrambling and jamming" opponent radio headsets to interfere with opponent communication.
Peyton Manning is reportedly paranoid about the Patriots' methods of cheating; he leaves the Patriots' visiting locker room to discuss schemes with coaches in case the room is bugged.

Still, the spying was reportedly the biggest deal. The entire operation came to a head when Eric Mangini, coach of the New York Jets and a former Patriots coach, realized that the Patriots were filming teams. He ordered security to be on alert, and they caught a Patriots employee taping the Jets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-rep ... dal-2015-9

Were those video tapes accessible to anybody? Also, other teams were guilty of doing the same thing. It all comes down to were they sucessfull? The answers no.

Even after, teams still complained and their fans even more so because the Patriots are just that good.

Just admit it, there has never been a team like the current Patriots and there has never been a QB like Brady.

Brady is and will be for quite some time the G.O.A.T.

I literally posted a lengthy article about how they would go about spying on them. They literally had a systematic way of cheating that resulted in a "prefect season". It was so prefect because they knew the other team's plays before the other team even played it.

[Penner]

Not really...81-94 with no real consistency...

Pats should be on their 7th already if they didn’t throw away their perfect season.

That "prefect season" was actually Spygate. Bellichik should've been fired right after that. In my opinion, Karft wuss out and never fired the man..

Just like the other teams caught that year did right?

Once the Pats were found out and they stopped filming and the other teams changed their plays/signals then they lose during that season.

Edit:

Also tell me when the other teams would send their hire staff to break into locker rooms to steal play sheets?

In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/repo ... ygate-era/

[The Conservative]

That "prefect season" was actually Spygate. Bellichik should've been fired right after that. In my opinion, Karft wuss out and never fired the man..

Just like the other teams caught that year did right?

Once the Pats were found out and they stopped filming and the other teams changed their plays/signals then they lose during that season.

Edit:

Also tell me when the other teams would send their hire staff to break into locker rooms to steal play sheets?

In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/repo ... ygate-era/

LOL! Seriously? Again, same year... so what’s your excuse after?

Sorry, but what team are you trying to defend? Steelers?

http://yourteamcheats.com/PIT

Let’s not point fingers when the Patriots are angels on the grand scale of cheating.

[The Conservative]

Or was it San Fran?

http://yourteamcheats.com/SF