Daniel Shaver shooting

[LVH2]

If you're concerned about your safety, and you happen to point a rifle or what would appears to be one, out of a hotel window, I'd advise you to get out ahead of that, go down to the lobby, tell them that you just did something very reckless and foolish, and the police are probably going to be showing up any moment now, jacked up for a mad sniper call, so you're just going to wait with the staff of the hotel, so you can turn yourself in when they arrive. I wouldn't, if I were you, just run around the hallways of the hotel, after pulling a stunt like that.

Again, I don't know what it's like in Arizona, but If I did that here, no doubt an army of cops would show up, and no doubt they would be jacked up.

Good advice.

But there are tons of people who are stupid, drunk, high, crazy, stressed out or who panic or break down in high pressure situations. We can say, "you shouldn't be like that," but they are like that anyway.

If police training/policy results in several hundred such people being shot every year, it needs to change. Cops will just have to grow a pair and find the courage that everybody other than them has. I think most of them already have it. Can the rest.

Well, I think the nation itself would have to find more collective courage, as in assuming more risk at the legislative and regulatory level, because the police are really just instruments, which are subject to the environment, so I don't see how America itself can be on permanent hysterical hair trigger alert, all day every day, permeating every aspect of life, but somehow the police would be the only people in America who are calm cool and collected in everything that they do.

If you want to ratchet the pressure down at the tactical level, you need to ratchet it down at the strategic level first,

It's certainly an offshoot of our culture of fear and the consequent obsession with self preservation/denial of death. It's all weird though because we are mostly afraid of movie stuff, like a serial killer breaking into our house or terrorists. Texting as we swerve across the road en route to our 4th fast food meal of the day doesn't seem to bother us.

One thing I've discovered driving for rideshare is that people now live in gated communities within gated communities. You have to go through a checkpoint with a security guard to get into the larger gated community. Then you have to punch in a code to get into the second, smaller gated area. I've always wanted to ask one of these people if they testified against the mafia.

I made that joke to a friend who just said, "better too much security than too little." He's goes about 375 lbs.

However, I also think this might be a squeaky wheel thing, in that the most hysterical are the most vocal, be they cops or HOA boardmembers and others just go along.

[DBTrek]

Guys ... it’s worth noting that America didn’t just shrug and say “oh well” in the wake of this shooting. They charged the cop with murder. That’s pretty serious. It’s not like the nation just blew it off and said “nothing to see here”.

The jury let him go.

/shrug

[The Conservative]

Bear in mind, for every civil libertarian calling for the police to be restrained, there's a thousand people screeching at them to
"DO SOMETHING! NAAAOOOW!"

It's like the guy who got choked to death for selling cigarettes, who called that in on him? The cops? No, the local store owners, and they wanted him stopped and stopped now, and then we he resisted, the fur started to fly, which it inevitably will.

There's no point in telling the cops to live and let live, when the people they report to are not willing to follow that rule.

Perhaps if we fat shamed him earlier instead if embracing one's fatness he would still be alive?

[heydaralon]

Guys ... it’s worth noting that America didn’t just shrug and say “oh well” in the wake of this shooting. They charged the cop with murder. That’s pretty serious. It’s not like the nation just blew it off and said “nothing to see here”.

The jury let him go.

/shrug

I think if the jury lets him off, that's that. There are a lot of jury verdicts that I felt were absurd (as I'm sure we all do), but thats the system we chose and as a civilized society we need to accept that. I think the cop's actions which caused the trial were quite abhorrent, but I'm not for vigilante justice. Just my two cents.

[clubgop]

Bear in mind, for every civil libertarian calling for the police to be restrained, there's a thousand people screeching at them to
"DO SOMETHING! NAAAOOOW!"

It's like the guy who got choked to death for selling cigarettes, who called that in on him? The cops? No, the local store owners, and they wanted him stopped and stopped now, and then we he resisted, the fur started to fly, which it inevitably will.

There's no point in telling the cops to live and let live, when the people they report to are not willing to follow that rule.

That is all too true. It is why attack gcf and associated bubble bitches. They advocate for draconian gun laws and expect the cops to just go straight in with no regard for themselves or others but show restraint in this instant of a possible unfolding gun tragedy becuase he saw a video that left him "literally shaking." And also if you all will recall there was another jury decision based on a gun crime that we the plebs were supposed to shut the fuck up about because it exposed the rotting sore that is the open border policies he supports and because "there are enough people in prison." Well talk about a Russian conspiracy he twist a 180 better than Mikhail Baryshnikov and thinks he knows better than this jury and there is always room for one more because a video affected his tender fefes.

[Ph64]

Guys ... it’s worth noting that America didn’t just shrug and say “oh well” in the wake of this shooting. They charged the cop with murder. That’s pretty serious. It’s not like the nation just blew it off and said “nothing to see here”.

The jury let him go.

/shrug

I think if the jury lets him off, that's that. There are a lot of jury verdicts that I felt were absurd (as I'm sure we all do), but thats the system we chose and as a civilized society we need to accept that. I think the cop's actions which caused the trial were quite abhorrent, but I'm not for vigilante justice. Just my two cents.

I am presuming they saw the full video, and not an edited version of it...?

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, for every civil libertarian calling for the police to be restrained, there's a thousand people screeching at them to
"DO SOMETHING! NAAAOOOW!"

It's like the guy who got choked to death for selling cigarettes, who called that in on him? The cops? No, the local store owners, and they wanted him stopped and stopped now, and then we he resisted, the fur started to fly, which it inevitably will.

There's no point in telling the cops to live and let live, when the people they report to are not willing to follow that rule.

That is all too true. It is why attack gcf and associated bubble bitches. They advocate for draconian gun laws and expect the cops to just go straight in with no regard for themselves or others but show restraint in this instant of a possible unfolding gun tragedy becuase he saw a video that left him "literally shaking." And also if you all will recall there was another jury decision based on a gun crime that we the plebs were supposed to shut the fuck up about because it exposed the rotting sore that is the open border policies he supports and because "there are enough people in prison." Well talk about a Russian conspiracy he twist a 180 better than Mikhail Baryshnikov and thinks he knows better than this jury and there is always room for one more because a video affected his tender fefes.

Indeed, they only want the cops to have guns, they only want the cops to be able to use force, and they want the cops to respond with maximum speed and intervention in the face of any gun call, and they do not want the citizenry to be able to defend itself from the state under any circumstances, they want all the money and power centralized with the state and its armed agency, so, y'know, it's no surprise that people get shot for looking at the state funny.

That's why I can't get too wrapped around the axle about this, it's sad for the Shaver family, but there's nothing I could have done to save them, and nothing I can do to save the next Daniel Shaver, it's just baked into the cake of the nanny police state, and I don't spend a lot of time worrying about that which is beyond my control.

The Temperance Lady is a harsh mistress, but I didn't vote for her, so I wash my hands of it.

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, for every civil libertarian calling for the police to be restrained, there's a thousand people screeching at them to
"DO SOMETHING! NAAAOOOW!"

It's like the guy who got choked to death for selling cigarettes, who called that in on him? The cops? No, the local store owners, and they wanted him stopped and stopped now, and then we he resisted, the fur started to fly, which it inevitably will.

There's no point in telling the cops to live and let live, when the people they report to are not willing to follow that rule.

Perhaps if we fat shamed him earlier instead if embracing one's fatness he would still be alive?

Or maybe just don't take the reckless decision to resist, as, he was caught red handed, and it was a minor charge, so just go quietly and call your lawyer after.

If you engage in petty crime, you have to be prepared to be arrested, don't come crying to me after, if you're going to engage the police in a physical confrontation over chickenshit.

Any time you get into it with the cops, you're asking for a beat down, and short of extremis, it just ain't worth it. You're not being arrested by a person, you're being arrested by a state, and you can't beat that in hand to hand combat.

What, you're going to go Black Power about it, fist in the air? Yeah, ah, that's probably not the time and place for that, pick your spots.

Can't do time, don't do crime, and if you're gonna do crime, I guess that's fine, but don't be a big baby about it when you get arrested.

I can understand a juvenile throwing a tantrum, but if you're a grown assed man, take responsibility for your shit. I honestly don't got a lotta time, for infantilized people, who pull stunts like that, for no good reason.

I can be subversive to authority meself, but y'know, in 22 years, I never raised my hand to the Sergeant-Major, and the cops are the same, so just treat it like you're dealing with the Sergeant-Major.

[Smitty-48]

And, again, to clubby's point, the same people who were blubbering and wailing about the big baby getting killed over bootlegging cigarettes, are the same nanny staters who made cigarettes a major source of state revenue, and who also empowered the Temperance Lady to go apeshit over cigarettes not being sold to minors, so, ultimately, they are the ones who killed the big baby, when they sicced the cops on an infantile who was apparently bound to throw a tantrum over it.

He was acting like hey no big deal, these guys are picking on me, but apparently he didn't get the memo, that bootlegging cigarettes is no joke to the nanny state.

[The Conservative]

Bear in mind, for every civil libertarian calling for the police to be restrained, there's a thousand people screeching at them to
"DO SOMETHING! NAAAOOOW!"

It's like the guy who got choked to death for selling cigarettes, who called that in on him? The cops? No, the local store owners, and they wanted him stopped and stopped now, and then we he resisted, the fur started to fly, which it inevitably will.

There's no point in telling the cops to live and let live, when the people they report to are not willing to follow that rule.

Perhaps if we fat shamed him earlier instead if embracing one's fatness he would still be alive?

Or maybe just don't take the reckless decision to resist, as, he was caught red handed, and it was a minor charge, so just go quietly and call your lawyer after.

If you engage in petty crime, you have to be prepared to be arrested, don't come crying to me after, if you're going to engage the police in a physical confrontation over chickenshit.

Any time you get into it with the cops, you're asking for a beat down, and short of extremis, it just ain't worth it. You're not being arrested by a person, you're being arrested by a state, and you can't beat that in hand to hand combat.

What, you're going to go Black Power about it, fist in the air? Yeah, ah, that's probably not the time and place for that, pick your spots.

Can't do time, don't do crime, and if you're gonna do crime, I guess that's fine, but don't be a big baby about it when you get arrested.

I can understand a juvenile throwing a tantrum, but if you're a grown assed man, take responsibility for your shit. I honestly don't got a lotta time, for infantilized people, who pull stunts like that, for no good reason.

I can be subversive to authority meself, but y'know, in 22 years, I never raised my hand to the Sergeant-Major, and the cops are the same, so just treat it like you're dealing with the Sergeant-Major.

I like my idea better. If he wasn’t so fat he would have lived.