Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:
A Clinton Gang member saying Trump is behind this ?
Let's see if Project Veritas comes out with more evidence than Little Reich is inferring.
Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:
Actually, Zionism began under the Ottoman Turks, but neither Ottoman Turkey nor British Palestine were Israel nor in fact anything like it, what you had under the Turks and the British, was in fact multi-culturalism, and there was in fact generally peaceful coexistence, it was actually the rise of the Bolsheviks and then the Nazis, which radicalized the Zionists, a new and radical Right Wing Zionism, and this did not arrive until the end of the Second World War, and when it did arrive, it promptly went to war with the British to drive them out, so that it could then launch its war of conquest against the Arabs.Okeefenokee wrote:Yeah, they took it. Right after Britain gave it to them. They sure took it alright.Smitty-48 wrote:"Take it by force of arms, or you're not worthy of it"- Smitty WolfTheReal_ND wrote:Then give us Zion.
The Zionists didn't sit around in the waaaghmbulance, bro, they took Israel from the Arabs, in a war of conquest.
Nobody "gives" you Zion, Zion, you take.
There is a socialist component, but those are the descendants of the original Zionists, the Labour Party, are not the radicals of Israel, although they are the ones who want it both ways, but wanting to have it both ways, have their Israel and Multiculturalism too, is why they have been rejected, thus the rise of Likud.BjornP wrote:In 1948, didn't Israel get their weapons and ammo from the Soviets? Also wouldn't call Labour Zionism right wing radicalism.
9/11 was an inside job.Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
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It was jointly founded, but it was the increasingly and radically Right Wing shift in Zionism, coming at the end of the Second World War, which went to war against the Balfour Declaration, bear in mind, Okee's original assertion was that the British "gave Israel to the Zionists", but that was not the case, the British invoked a multicultural Palestine, and the Leftist Zionists had populated that multicultural Palestine, but it wasn't the Leftist Zionists who drove the war to drive the British out, and then take Israel as a conquest by force of arms, for that, the Leftists were complicit, but they were not the ones who wanted to conquer, they envisioned and still envision; a multicultural Israel, it was the Right, who rejected that, and said Isreali Uber Alles.BjornP wrote:Well, no argument from me against the fact Israels left eventually collapsed. I thought you were saying the country was founded in 1948 by right-wing radicals.
And I was under the impression that most Israelis today are actually Mizrahi rather than Ashkenazi, even including the Russian ones following the Soviet progroms. Doesn't really change your conclusion, though. Mizrahi Jews probably had little in common with Western European descended Labour Zionists.