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Re: Socialism

Post by heydaralon » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:39 pm

brewster wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:39 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:49 pm
brewster wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:19 pm

Citation please, not of that common definition, but of any mainstream Democrat advocating seizure of industrial production.
Single payer health insurance (mandatory and universal).
Socialized hospital systems as the alternative to the above.
Socialize the oil industry.
[url=https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article ... operatives]Socialized alternative energy industry.[/url
I don't even think you seriously wanted an answer to this question.
Little of that is the mainstream Democratic Party, you can find idiots like Waters or cranks writing crazy stuff anywhere. I could easily find equally stupid things said by individual GOP members, or "men on the street", just look at ND, would you seriously want him quoted anywhere as representative of the party? How about Rick Perry wanting to remove depts like Energy & Commerce that he didn't even know what they did. This is stuff your party waves around to get you riled up. You want to know what D's think? Note most of the radicals lost their primaries, as did Bernie 2 years previously. The Moderate D majority have no time for that nonsense. I don't know if a moderate R majority exists anymore. What you guys believe about abortion, guns and religion was in your last Party Platform. You won't find any single payer or nationalizing industries in the 2016 D platform.

Single payer is not "nationalizing means of production" it's changing payment structure of an already heavily regulated industry that is 45% single payer already. You might feel differently if you actually had to buy healthcare. Friends who were briefly both unemployed had to spend $3500/mo for family coverage. Does $42k per year for health insurance of healthy people sound rational to you? That more than a significant number of Americans make per year.

I saw no democratic leaders quoted in the renewables article at all, just fringe partisans. Utilities and medicine are terrible examples of "free market" industries anyway. If you can't shop for better service, a better price, or both, its not a free market. The govt thumb is already all over the scales, mostly in favor of the industries. Get back to me when they want to nationalize Starbucks. Note that when we "bought" GM Obama got rid of it as soon as possible.
I am inclined to take you at your word about the Lady Bird film, but indulge me. Show me a picture of your ticket stub with a date stamped on it so that I can know for sure. You aren't going to just pretend that isn't what has kept me up 2 nights in a row. Lying on the internet is not ok, especially after you said that I was too stupid to actually get the film. I might be, but I was completely up front about this fact. Its time to do the right thing brewster..
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Re: Socialism

Post by Zlaxer » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ie-sanders



Idiots and loaners form the prole rank and file of socialism because they lack the intellect and social skills to produce value and form relationships with their fellow man - so they wield the heavy hand of government to provide themselves sustenance at the expense of their own liberty and the liberty of their fellow man - socialist elites seek to manipulate the proles for power - both are disgusting creatures.


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Re: Socialism

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Re: Socialism

Post by C-Mag » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:18 am

San Fransisco Public Service Announcement encourages kids to take their parents guns and turn them in to their teachers

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/27 ... um=twitter
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Re: Socialism

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:08 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:18 am
San Fransisco Public Service Announcement encourages kids to take their parents guns and turn them in to their teachers

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/27 ... um=twitter
What the holy fuck.

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Re: Socialism

Post by C-Mag » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:19 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:08 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:18 am
San Fransisco Public Service Announcement encourages kids to take their parents guns and turn them in to their teachers

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/27 ... um=twitter
What the holy fuck.
Yeah, Hey Kids, get your parents guns and bring them to school.(in violation of Federal Law) Sit through class, and then give them to a teacher.

They are fucking insane dude. You cannot use logic in assessing their actions. Anything is possible with them because they willing to do anything to destroy competitors...…………….. regardless of how you feel about them, you must respect them as opponents because nothing is out of bounds to them.
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Re: Socialism

Post by Zlaxer » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:50 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:08 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:18 am
San Fransisco Public Service Announcement encourages kids to take their parents guns and turn them in to their teachers

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/27 ... um=twitter
What the holy fuck.

Is it really so suprising? Orwell wrote about this decades ago - Big Brother, country, family.

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Re: Socialism

Post by C-Mag » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:49 pm

For me, you read Orwell, you understand it can happen, it has happened, but it's still shocking to see it happening around you.
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Re: Socialism

Post by Zlaxer » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:54 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:49 pm
For me, you read Orwell, you understand it can happen, it has happened, but it's still shocking to see it happening around you.

Just to make sure people don't think I'm exaggerating (or for those who don't know) - in the book, there's a scene where kids rat out their parents to the Government.

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Re: Socialism

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:42 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:18 am
San Fransisco Public Service Announcement encourages kids to take their parents guns and turn them in to their teachers

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/27 ... um=twitter
Good
Zlaxer wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:54 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:49 pm
For me, you read Orwell, you understand it can happen, it has happened, but it's still shocking to see it happening around you.

Just to make sure people don't think I'm exaggerating (or for those who don't know) - in the book, there's a scene where kids rat out their parents to the Government.
The book is required reading in high school I have read it three times. It is not edgy it was written by a man that volunteered in the spanish civil war to fight for the literal anarcho communists and I'm not exaggerating. You think it is cutting edge? It probably is to the junior high kids that are forced to read the book or at least the ones that rather can be coerced into reading it. It is not a special book. In fact it is quite pedestrian and you never even notice Orwell was being a philosemetic commie that hated stalin the whole time.

Orwell is about as cutting edge as the grey haired negro that thinks he is btfo'ng the whole barbershop because he supports Trump for being a nazi.