Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

[Penner]

Did the FBI behave as the very KGB when it was investigating Hillary Clinton and his e-mail mess? Weren't they on the GOP side back then?

Trump's not on the GOP side, the GOP wants to get Trump more than the Democrats do, as he's a bigger threat to the GOP than he is to the Democrats.

What fucking entrenched interests is Trump really going after? Tell me.

I don't think Trump is going after anybody, but they are going after him, why? I would guess that it is because they don't have him under control, they don't like a President who is a potential lose cannon, makes them nervous.

Smitty, I think you are partially right but Trump is what gave the GOP the control of the White House with followers that will ignore everything and like what he tells them to like. Plus, he also gave them control of the White House and now they are probably trying to set up the impeachment process to get rid of him and to install Pence. But that won't happen until like 2018/2019 so Pence can legally run for two terms on top of Trump's first term. Thus they will be in control of the White House for like 10 years- so in my mind, they are deliberately dragging their feet until like 2018/2019- if they are planning impeachment at all. For all I know they are just going to coast on the Trump gravy train until 2020 and/or 2024.

[Smitty-48]

I don't see Trump getting impeached, but even if impeached, I don't see it being a full trial in the senate removed from office Mike Pence taking over kind of thing, at worst it would be a slap on the wrist censure Bill Clinton-esque scenario, and the backlash against the GOP from their own base would be ferocious, because the GOP impeaching Trump would be the ultimate cucking out, and Trump could actually end up becoming even popular in the wake of that, literally into the Right Wing Nutjob folk hero zone at that point.

It's an Obi-Wan effect, the more the Penners of the world attack Trump, the more the people who hate the Penner's of the world rally around him.

It's not 1974, I find the idea that the GOP would, as they did then, cave into the Democrats and impeach their own President for a trial in the senate, in this contemptorary environment, to be liberal wishful thinking, in this cotemporary environment, Nixon wouldn't even be impeached.

Furthermore, I don't buy that they have a smoking gun on Trump, and I don't buy that there is one out there, that strikes me as liberal wishful thinking as well, so there's nothing to impeach him over, even if the GOP was willing to take the hit, which again, I don't buy that the GOP, no matter internecine, is willing to take the hit on that, particularly from their own base.

Seems to me, Trump Derangement Syndrome is a dead end, it will go on and on, without actually getting anywhere, the Democrats will run some sort of weak assed ticket against him next time, Liz Mondale-Cory Dukakis 2020, and then Trump will win again, then the GOP will get another SCOTUS pick, and then the liberals will really be crying in their beer, Trump will ride off into the sunset in 2024, having fucked the liberals and their agenda for generations to come.

In any of these sorts of scenarios postulated, you have to factor in what a smug, patronizing, self deluded, self reinforcing, partisan media fueled bubble that liberals are living in right now, seemingly oblivious to the glaring structural weaknesses of their coalition, and how in fact they are the one's who will be propping Trump up, with their smug, patronizing, self deluding, self reinforcing Trump Derangement Syndrome, which merely exacerbates the Trump backlash against them and their agenda even more.

[clubgop]

Man, what happened to you? You used to be a pretty cool guy, now you're not even capitalizing your sentences, nor are you putting forth real arguments, while also trying your best to hurt other forum members. Where's the old Okee? You've been around ND for too long.

And going hard towards your base doesn't work? Look at what Trump did, said some of the most insane, hard right shit, and still won. This country wants to go full retard.

This is why they will continue to lose. The lack of self awareness is colossal. Look at this board, Okee used to be a centrist, DeO still is but is down right intolerant of lefty BS anymore, StA in another life was a severe leftist but they are the problem they all caught this disease which makes them immune to reason. You ever have any self doubt any self reflection that just once you are in the wrong and losing is your fault?

I mean DT hard right? He won PA, WI, and MI, states that have not gone rightward in decades but have now gone hard right because you say so? Two ships were tied together, the ties break and the ships begin to move apart. You scream at the other ship where are they going? Why have they drifted so far? Does it ever once enter you brain that they are not the ones moving? That it could be you? Maybe the problem is you? Nope? Booker/ Warren 2020 I guess.

That's some mighty projection you have there. Before Trump were you pro family values? Now you have a married man as the leader of your party who brags about sleeping married women, who says he is going to kill families as part of the war on terror, who wants to strip 2nd amendment rights without due process, who bombs Syria as an interventialist and is ok with gay marriage. And you say it is my ship that moved!

Or are you saying these were always Republican positions? Which, I mean, please do say these were always Republican positions. That would be hilarious.

You arguing with yourself? I mean in one statement DT was hard right personified but in another you list all the ways he isn't hard right.

Or are you saying someone moving more to the center and left is still hard right but the left hasn't moved? That would be hilarious. Your move bitch. For once in your miserable life take some responsibility.

[Smitty-48]

Indeed, DJT as "hard right" is laughable, he's a carpet bagging New York Red Democrat RINO, who simply made a nationalist appeal to the not actually all that conservative in the first place GOP base.

Trump is straddling the center, he's a populist nationalist demogogue, no doubt, but a big spending big government interventionist and so fundamentally liberal one at that.

The Democrats have nothing to go against him, they don't have anybody who could go in take Red districts away from the GOP the way Trump came through the Blue Wall and took them from the Democrats, the Democrats have slipped too far to the Left, and as result at this juncture could not straddle the center.

[TheReal_ND]

Well we're just stuck here because they are trying to take our guns while flooding us with diversity. Not like we have a choice.

[Smitty-48]

Well we're just stuck here because they are trying to take our guns while flooding us with diversity. Not like we have a choice.

You're not a conservative in any case, you're a national socialist, which, while fundamentally illiberal, is still big spending, big government, big intervention none the less.

[TheReal_ND]

Nah I'm a national socialist libertarian. We get to keep our guns and free speech and we have programs that benefit our nation and our people.

Edit: oh and free market principles yada yada. Don't really care about economics

Edit Edit: and eugenics now

[Smitty-48]

Nah I'm a national socialist libertarian. We get to keep our guns and free speech and we have programs that benefit our nation and our people.

The National Socialists never actually took the guns away from party members, if you were a good National Socialist, you were free to keep your guns, and in fact were encouraged to take them with you to Poland, where you were directed to use them to take what you wanted from the local population, backed up as necessary by the Waffen-SS.

In 1939, German civilians were grabbing their guns, jumping in their cars, driving to Poland, and relieving Poles of their property left and right at gunpoint, all approved and in fact encouraged by the state.

[TheReal_ND]

I know but I just wanted to clarify that because a lot of people are like



An admirable sentiment but not entirely true.

[Smitty-48]

If/when National Socialism ever comes to pass in the United States, the National Socialists would not be disarming the Volk, anymore than they disarmed the German Volk, which they didn't, when it comes to restricting liberties, it's just a question of who is the Volk and who is not. If you're the Volk, you can get away with almost anything, so long as your fealty is total and to the Fuhrer.