Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[JohnDonne]

Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.

All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.

All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.

You are arguing that humans shouldn't be treated differently than animals because there aren't important moral distinctions between them, as far as I understand it.

If this is derived from your sentience standard, than the sentience standard creates the questionable implications, it doesn't solve them.

[JohnDonne]

Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.

All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.

You are arguing that humans shouldn't be treated differently than animals because there aren't important moral distinctions between them, as far as I understand it.

If this is derived from your sentience standard, than the sentience standard creates the questionable implications, it doesn't solve them.

Just because they appear to have equal ethical value doesn’t mean treating them the same as humans.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.

All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.

You are arguing that humans shouldn't be treated differently than animals because there aren't important moral distinctions between them, as far as I understand it.

If this is derived from your sentience standard, than the sentience standard creates the questionable implications, it doesn't solve them.

Just because they appear to have equal ethical value doesn’t mean treating them the same as humans.

Oh, then I agree with you. One of the ways we treat them differently is that we eat them.

Problem solved.

[JohnDonne]

Then you open the door to eating sentient humans on similar grounds. I wouldn’t do that, it’s not ethical.

Not only that, you never even named the grounds.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Then you open the door to eating sentient humans on similar grounds. I wouldn’t do that, it’s not ethical.

There you go again, stating that the equivalent ethical value allows for equivalent treatment. I think that animals have considerably less ethical value than humans, so I don't run the risk of stumbling into cannibalism. Your insistence on the moral equivalence of sentience is the only argument that seems to lead down that path, since none of the non-vegans here seem to think eating humans is an option.

[Hastur]

I suspect J D for looking for an excuse to treat some people like rats.

[Speaker to Animals]

If only we embraced Mother Gaia like our cousins.

[Fife]

If only we embraced Mother Gaia like our cousins.

Did you see that Jordan Peterson clip about chimps I put up in the Hoppe / alt right thread?

[JohnDonne]

Then you open the door to eating sentient humans on similar grounds. I wouldn’t do that, it’s not ethical.

There you go again, stating that the equivalent ethical value allows for equivalent treatment. I think that animals have considerably less ethical value than humans, so I don't run the risk of stumbling into cannibalism. Your insistence on the moral equivalence of sentience is the only argument that seems to lead down that path, since none of the non-vegans here seem to think eating humans is an option.

I would argue for different standards of treatment, it’s just I would argue on grounds that I can justify without resorting to a double standard.

For example, animals like to be left alone in nature, so I would argue it’s ethical to leave them alone in nature.

Of course you seem to find trouble with the whole idea of giving reasons for things.