Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by The Conservative » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:16 am

brewster wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:39 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:42 pm
The President has been impeached, and the Democrats have just pissed off the Republican party. I don't think the DNC realized what they just unleashed.

The last election the Republicans were being civil. This on coming up, oh boy.
I'm curious. Do you still believe there's absolutely nothing to the aid story, or that its just not important what he did? If it's the former, why won't he let his minions testify? Had they testified and presented compelling evidence that there was nothing there, he might not have been impeached. Continuing to prevent his aides from testifying is more or less the White House taking the 5th. Fair or not, taking the 5th always leads impartial observers to believe the party doing it has something criminal to hide.
Which one the story has changed through the years.

They wanted to impeach Trump since day one. So which story are we talking about?
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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by Hastur » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:47 am

brewster wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:39 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:42 pm
The President has been impeached, and the Democrats have just pissed off the Republican party. I don't think the DNC realized what they just unleashed.

The last election the Republicans were being civil. This on coming up, oh boy.
I'm curious. Do you still believe there's absolutely nothing to the aid story, or that its just not important what he did? If it's the former, why won't he let his minions testify? Had they testified and presented compelling evidence that there was nothing there, he might not have been impeached. Continuing to prevent his aides from testifying is more or less the White House taking the 5th. Fair or not, taking the 5th always leads impartial observers to believe the party doing it has something criminal to hide.
Please explain the 'aid story'. What happened?
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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:31 am

Tulsi voted present, atta girl.
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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by pineapplemike » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:10 am

absolute worst case scenario re: aid story, there's no fucking way it rises to the level of impeachment. and especially the second article "obstructing congress" or whatever, get real

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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by Hastur » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:16 am

Is there any president in history that didn't obstruct congress when it was held by the opposition? Checks and balances anyone?
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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by The Conservative » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:18 am

Hastur wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:16 am
Is there any president in history that didn't obstruct congress when it was held by the opposition? Checks and balances anyone?
That's the point. The DNC is still trying to win 2016.
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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by PartyOf5 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:10 am

The Conservative wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:18 am
Hastur wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:16 am
Is there any president in history that didn't obstruct congress when it was held by the opposition? Checks and balances anyone?
That's the point. The DNC is still trying to win 2016.
And in the process will lose 2020. This will piss off the vast majority of non-partisan voters. Yes, there are still some out there, and weak sauce, cheap shot tactics like this will only turn them off to the Democrats. I used to be more likely to side with Democrats, and I have voted for Democrats in the past, but this shit has solidified my stance to not even consider a (D) candidate for anything until the party can gain at least some trust back. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by The Conservative » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:55 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:10 am
The Conservative wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:18 am
Hastur wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:16 am
Is there any president in history that didn't obstruct congress when it was held by the opposition? Checks and balances anyone?
That's the point. The DNC is still trying to win 2016.
And in the process will lose 2020. This will piss off the vast majority of non-partisan voters. Yes, there are still some out there, and weak sauce, cheap shot tactics like this will only turn them off to the Democrats. I used to be more likely to side with Democrats, and I have voted for Democrats in the past, but this shit has solidified my stance to not even consider a (D) candidate for anything until the party can gain at least some trust back. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Nope. Especially at the end with the vote, where the DNC party clapped when they ”Impeached Trump”

What really threw me for a loop was that Nancy Pelosi seemed to have already been sloshed before the vote was finalized.
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Re: Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

Post by brewster » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:26 am

The Conservative wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:16 am
brewster wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:39 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:42 pm
The President has been impeached, and the Democrats have just pissed off the Republican party. I don't think the DNC realized what they just unleashed.

The last election the Republicans were being civil. This on coming up, oh boy.
I'm curious. Do you still believe there's absolutely nothing to the aid story, or that its just not important what he did? If it's the former, why won't he let his minions testify? Had they testified and presented compelling evidence that there was nothing there, he might not have been impeached. Continuing to prevent his aides from testifying is more or less the White House taking the 5th. Fair or not, taking the 5th always leads impartial observers to believe the party doing it has something criminal to hide.
Which one the story has changed through the years.

They wanted to impeach Trump since day one. So which story are we talking about?
The one that originated in July of this year, the one about which you said "If it went exactly as stated, and there was no hearsay, but there was true proof... I'd be demanding his resignation..."
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