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Re: It's Happening.

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:45 pm

DBTrek wrote:Number of times in human history one person has owned everything: 0

Sounds like a completely unproven mathematical certainty.
Oh, I used to play Monopoly as a kid. See, it's this game designed to model capitalism. We played it a lot in California, funny it didn't make it to Washington.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by DBTrek » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:45 pm

The “mathematical certainty” of a four player Monopoly board game applied to global economics.

Amazed more people haven’t been converted to this obviously correct worldview.
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Post by StCapps » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:47 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:That's a mathematical certainty, the same one I'm always talking about: compounding gains. Allow it to go on long enough, and 1 person owns everything. That's how Monopoly ends. However, if you want to keep Monopoly going, other players are going to have to be given money somehow.
There are better ways for the other players to get their hands on money than wealth redistribution, protip.
Well, they just must not be trying hard enough, those lazy bastards. Whips. Debtors Prison. I'm sure we can come up with a solution.
Your solution is the lazy one, and your excuse is that those who have power are being lazy too? Step your game up Hash, that's a lame argument. Try a less lazy solution, then maybe you'll gain some traction around here rather than reaching for what should be the last resort, as your first resort.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:47 pm

DBTrek wrote:The “mathematical certainty” of a four player Monopoly board game applied to global economics.

Amazed more people haven’t been converted to this obviously correct worldview.
:lol:
Dude, simplification to fundamentals is my specialty. Confuse life in complexity if you want, everybody else does.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:49 pm

StCapps wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:
StCapps wrote:There are better ways for the other players to get their hands on money than wealth redistribution, protip.
Well, they just must not be trying hard enough, those lazy bastards. Whips. Debtors Prison. I'm sure we can come up with a solution.
Your solution is the lazy one, and your excuse is that those who have power are being lazy too? Step your game up Hash, that's a lame argument.
I said my solution: your turn.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by DBTrek » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:50 pm

In a world with only one market (houses/hotel) and a finite cash drawer, I’m sure your mathematical certainties play out (aka someone will eventually win the game).

Of course, even with this extremely limited model you fail to address what happens one turn after the win is achieved. Or does time also stop in the real world, according to your mathematical certainty?
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by StCapps » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:51 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Martin Hash wrote: Well, they just must not be trying hard enough, those lazy bastards. Whips. Debtors Prison. I'm sure we can come up with a solution.
Your solution is the lazy one, and your excuse is that those who have power are being lazy too? Step your game up Hash, that's a lame argument.
I said my solution: your turn.
Well my solution is to increase the ability of those at the bottom to rise to the top, instead capping how much wealth the top can have. That is a way better solution, wealth redistribution should be used sparingly, it should not be the go to option. If you want to reduce the influence of the aristocracy, that's how you do it, wealth redistribution is the least efficient method of accomplishing your goal.
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Post by K@th » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:52 pm

I've heard suggestions that we mandate the max gap between the guy at the top versus the guy at the bottom. It's pretty convoluted, now. Is there any merit in mandating the max of that gap? My general inclination is that it's a bad idea, but I agree that the wealth gap is damn close to 1929 levels.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:53 pm

StCapps wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:
StCapps wrote:Your solution is the lazy one, and your excuse is that those who have power are being lazy too? Step your game up Hash, that's a lame argument.
I said my solution: your turn.
Well my solution is to increase the ability of those at the bottom to rise to the top, instead capping how much wealth the top can have. That is a way better solution, wealth redistribution should be used sparingly, it should not be the go to option.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by DBTrek » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:54 pm

If we’re just handing our money to everyone after each Monopoly turn, I’m not building shit.

Why would I?

Bust my ass to make money I have to give away, or relax and simply accrue money. Hmmm. Tough call.
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