The Left Does not Reason

[Montegriffo]

Except you no longer have the option for free healthcare or the chance to be paid by the govt to care for your own. So not like the US at all.

[DrYouth]

Why not? In fact the expansion of rights to certain things like basic shelter and health care is part of what some people hate about Progressivism.

Progressive Ideology does not believe in Natural Rights. Science and evolution are the foundations of the Political Theory. It is the State that gives Rights, and therefore can take them away. The uniqueness of the Classic Liberal Ideology is that all people have Inalienable Right that no one, nor any government can take from them.

You have lost me here... What is your source here for "Progressive ideology"? I am simply speaking from my own experience as a "progressive"... in other words I have voted for parties on the left of the Canadian spectrum, and am a supporter of the Canadian medical system etc. I believe in due process and basic inalienable rights.

The Government is meant to serve the individual and is still answerable to the individual in a democracy... progressives are pro-democracy.

Progressive Government serves itself and it's scientific conclusions on what is best for people and individuals. This is why it was an easy leap for Progressives to champion Eurgenics; and I know you know about that one in Canada, I think you guys ended your Eugenics campaign in the 70's or early 80's. This is also while Regime Change and Nation Building are so popular with Progs. This idea that we are smart and we can go in and show them the light. Progressive view people who don't want their idea of society as ignorant, to be fixed, taught and if that can't be done............. killed.

Progressives can be annoyingly patronizing towards the "victim group" they are trying to support. This is one of my biggest critiques of classical progressivism. Very often this leads to counterproductive policies that create hostile dependence in the target group. As far as killing those who disagree with our vision of society... this is really a last resort... only if waterboarding doesn't do it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Why not? In fact the expansion of rights to certain things like basic shelter and health care is part of what some people hate about Progressivism.

Progressive Ideology does not believe in Natural Rights. Science and evolution are the foundations of the Political Theory. It is the State that gives Rights, and therefore can take them away. The uniqueness of the Classic Liberal Ideology is that all people have Inalienable Right that no one, nor any government can take from them.

You have lost me here... What is your source here for "Progressive ideology"? I am simply speaking from my own experience as a "progressive"... in other words I have voted for parties on the left of the Canadian spectrum, and am a supporter of the Canadian medical system etc. I believe in due process and basic inalienable rights.

Source, with author's portrait.

[Okeefenokee]

Progressive Ideology does not believe in Natural Rights. Science and evolution are the foundations of the Political Theory. It is the State that gives Rights, and therefore can take them away. The uniqueness of the Classic Liberal Ideology is that all people have Inalienable Right that no one, nor any government can take from them.

You have lost me here... What is your source here for "Progressive ideology"? I am simply speaking from my own experience as a "progressive"... in other words I have voted for parties on the left of the Canadian spectrum, and am a supporter of the Canadian medical system etc. I believe in due process and basic inalienable rights.

Source, with author's portrait.

I got to the part where he offered to send every Jew in Germany out on cruise ships to any nation that would take them earlier today. No one took him up on it.

[LVH2]

What would the world be like today if the U.S. had said, "we'll take them Jews?"

I guess the Nazis would still have wound up killing a bunch of people, but maybe not at nearly the same level.

Also, maybe no Israel and a much more peaceful middle east?

[DrYouth]

Israel was already inevitable at this point... although the effectiveness of it's leverage on the west might have been lessened significantly.... which would have had implications.

The Middle East was a time bomb regardless...

Lots more bagel joints and Gefilte fish becomes an American fast food staple....

[Okeefenokee]

What would the world be like today if the U.S. had said, "we'll take them Jews?"

I guess the Nazis would still have wound up killing a bunch of people, but maybe not at nearly the same level.

Also, maybe no Israel and a much more peaceful middle east?

I also got to the part where the American Zionists put the kibosh on a two state solution in the thirties, wanting all or nothing. Adding a quarter million more Jews to their ranks probably wouldn't have done anything to slow down the Zionists in America.

[LVH2]

But if they were chilling in NY, eating nice pieces of fish and complaining about their doctors, rather than coming out of mass extermination, would the Brits and whoever else thought it was reasonable to boot the Palestinians and establish a homeland?

[Speaker to Animals]

What would the world be like today if the U.S. had said, "we'll take them Jews?"

I guess the Nazis would still have wound up killing a bunch of people, but maybe not at nearly the same level.

Also, maybe no Israel and a much more peaceful middle east?

Nobody wanted them.

We should have just transported them all to Palestine, honestly. Press their military-aged males into regiments that would defend the place from the Germans. Send them after Rommel.

[Okeefenokee]

What would the world be like today if the U.S. had said, "we'll take them Jews?"

I guess the Nazis would still have wound up killing a bunch of people, but maybe not at nearly the same level.

Also, maybe no Israel and a much more peaceful middle east?

Nobody wanted them.

We should have just transported them all to Palestine, honestly. Press their military-aged males into regiments that would defend the place from the Germans. Send them after Rommel.

I doubt they'd have gotten involved more than defending Israel. Why should they defend British territory against the Nazis? They didn't have a lot of love for the British at the end of the thirties.