NFL 2016

[SuburbanFarmer]

I do think he's good. He's one of the greats. I'm just not sure he's The Greatest.

The Pats won a whole lot of games without him in the past few years.

Few years? Ummmm... since when?

I posted examples. Do try to keep up.

[The Conservative]

I do think he's good. He's one of the greats. I'm just not sure he's The Greatest.

The Pats won a whole lot of games without him in the past few years.

Few years? Ummmm... since when?

I posted examples. Do try to keep up.

You post like someone has tourette's syndrome... it's hard to keep up when you keep posting like you do.

Also I went back a few pages, you had no proof as far as I can tell.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Few years? Ummmm... since when?

I posted examples. Do try to keep up.

You post like someone has tourette's syndrome... it's hard to keep up when you keep posting like you do.

Also I went back a few pages, you had no proof as far as I can tell.

This was on the last page...

2008 - Brady tears an ACL, Matt Cassel takes them 11-5.
2016 - Brady suspended 4 games, team goes 3-1 with Garappolo

He's not irreplaceable, dudes. If belichek sticks around for a year after Brady leaves, we'll get a pretty clear answer to this question.

[The Conservative]

I posted examples. Do try to keep up.

You post like someone has tourette's syndrome... it's hard to keep up when you keep posting like you do.

Also I went back a few pages, you had no proof as far as I can tell.

This was on the last page...

2008 - Brady tears an ACL, Matt Cassel takes them 11-5.
2016 - Brady suspended 4 games, team goes 3-1 with Garappolo

He's not irreplaceable, dudes. If belichek sticks around for a year after Brady leaves, we'll get a pretty clear answer to this question.

That's not years... that's a specific amount of time....hence why I said you had no proof.

[C-Mag]

There's a limited set of games to choose from in which Belichick coached Patriots played without Brady. Of the evidence out there, the Pats win - loss percentage is about the same with or without Brady. It implies the Patriots can do as well without him, but it's not definite proof. However, there is ample evidence that other QBs playing in the same era are far more valuable to their team. For instance, Peyton Manning goes down for a year and the Colts go from 80% wins and a Superbowl contender to a 1-15 loser picking first in the draft.

[SuburbanFarmer]

There's a limited set of games to choose from in which Belichick coached Patriots played without Brady. Of the evidence out there, the Pats win - loss percentage is about the same with or without Brady. It implies the Patriots can do as well without him, but it's not definite proof. However, there is ample evidence that other QBs playing in the same era are far more valuable to their team. For instance, Peyton Manning goes down for a year and the Colts go from 80% wins and a Superbowl contender to a 1-15 loser picking first in the draft.

Precisely.

[C-Mag]

There's a limited set of games to choose from in which Belichick coached Patriots played without Brady. Of the evidence out there, the Pats win - loss percentage is about the same with or without Brady. It implies the Patriots can do as well without him, but it's not definite proof. However, there is ample evidence that other QBs playing in the same era are far more valuable to their team. For instance, Peyton Manning goes down for a year and the Colts go from 80% wins and a Superbowl contender to a 1-15 loser picking first in the draft.

Precisely.

Superbowl and playoff wins are really about the organization and the head coach.

What do we say about success in these areas ? Offense wins regular season games, Defense wins championships. The QB position is extremely important in the NFL, but even at that it is completely overblown in importance. It's at Mythological Levels today.

Look at the consistent playoff contenders in the NFL, what do they all in common, they have stability. Why does Cleveland always suck, they change coaches, and personnel every year. Look at Dallas, Jerry Jones is a total pain in the ass, burned out a bunch of coaches. But Jason Garrett can take it, he's a mediocre coach. But given enough time, even Jason Garret can be a contender.

[StCapps]

There's a limited set of games to choose from in which Belichick coached Patriots played without Brady. Of the evidence out there, the Pats win - loss percentage is about the same with or without Brady. It implies the Patriots can do as well without him, but it's not definite proof. However, there is ample evidence that other QBs playing in the same era are far more valuable to their team. For instance, Peyton Manning goes down for a year and the Colts go from 80% wins and a Superbowl contender to a 1-15 loser picking first in the draft.

Precisely.

The Patriots cannot do as good without Tom Brady as with him, a small sample size against lame opponents in the regular season doesn't mean the Patriots would have just as much success in playoffs without a top end QB. Manning may have been more valuable to the Colts than Brady to the Patriots back in the day, but that doesn't make him the better QB, it just means Brady's GM gave him better players to work with. If Peyton had been on the Patriots his value compared to rest of the Patriots would be much reduced compared to his value on the Colts and if Brady had been on the Colts his value compared to the rest of the Colts would have gone through the roof compared to his value on the Patriots.

At least you can make an okay argument for Manning as the GOAT, but it's getting really far-fetched at this point and if Brady keeps up the high level play for a few more seasons than it will be laughable to make that argument because he'll close a lot of ground in regular season stats department. You can't even make a case for Joe Montana at this point that's how far ahead Brady is at the moment.

[Fife]

Yo NFL, which baffroom doe ??


NFL more forceful on Texas 'bathroom bill' after Super Bowl

The NFL sharpened its warning to Texas on Friday about a "bathroom bill" targeting transgender people, suggesting for the first time that the football-crazed state could miss out on hosting another Super Bowl if the proposal is enacted.

"If a proposal that is discriminatory or inconsistent with our values were to become law there, that would certainly be a factor considered when thinking about awarding future events," league spokesman Brian McCarthy said in response to an email question about the Texas bill.

XFL, we hardly knew ye.

[LVH2]

There's a limited set of games to choose from in which Belichick coached Patriots played without Brady. Of the evidence out there, the Pats win - loss percentage is about the same with or without Brady. It implies the Patriots can do as well without him, but it's not definite proof. However, there is ample evidence that other QBs playing in the same era are far more valuable to their team. For instance, Peyton Manning goes down for a year and the Colts go from 80% wins and a Superbowl contender to a 1-15 loser picking first in the draft.

Precisely.

That's often the underlying issue in a lot of these debates.

Who is better? The guy who can carry any team to a certain level of success, or the guy who can achieve even more, but only when he is on the right team.

Wilt vs Bill Russell is another example.