Historical Arguments and Debates

[SuburbanFarmer]

That's interesting, because the majority opinion is that these Sea Peoples attacked the coastal trade centers so often they had to be abandoned and this led to the Trade Collapse.
What do you think was the cause of the trade collapse ?

Could be the sea people disrupted shipping enough that merchants raised prices and toppled a leveraged system into collapse.

The notion that they singlehandedly toppled 4-5 major empires is pretty absurd though.

The Vikings did that very thing in the North Sea and Baltic 2000 years later. Took England, Ireland, Normandy, Russia, portions of France, Netherlands, Poland, etc.

They took some areas of underdeveloped nations, but never caused a full-scale collapse of trade.

England wasn’t even “England” yet, and Russia was still just tribes. France was a coherent power, but they weren’t anything like an empire.

[Montegriffo]

The iron age killed them off.
That and quantitative easing.

It very well could have been that Iron Age technology was stolen from the Eastern Mediterranean and taken back to the Aegean region that really developed the new iron technology.

There are many theories from climate change to volcanic eruptions but having your weapons become almost obsolete over night makes a lot of sense to me.
Iron was more available than copper and tin and weapons could be produced in larger numbers leading to larger armies.
Out with the old, in with the new.

[C-Mag]

Could be the sea people disrupted shipping enough that merchants raised prices and toppled a leveraged system into collapse.

The notion that they singlehandedly toppled 4-5 major empires is pretty absurd though.

The Vikings did that very thing in the North Sea and Baltic 2000 years later. Took England, Ireland, Normandy, Russia, portions of France, Netherlands, Poland, etc.

They took some areas of underdeveloped nations, but never caused a full-scale collapse of trade.

England wasn’t even “England” yet, and Russia was still just tribes. France was a coherent power, but they weren’t anything like an empire.

OK, so what do you think caused the trade collapse.

[C-Mag]

The iron age killed them off.
That and quantitative easing.

It very well could have been that Iron Age technology was stolen from the Eastern Mediterranean and taken back to the Aegean region that really developed the new iron technology.

There are many theories from climate change to volcanic eruptions but having your weapons become almost obsolete over night makes a lot of sense to me.
Iron was more available than copper and tin and weapons could be produced in larger numbers leading to larger armies.
Out with the old, in with the new.

What I'm hearing is foreign powers with superior weapons destroyed the Bronze Age Kingdoms from Egypte to Anatolia ?

[Speaker to Animals]

Hebrews

So, not Bronze Age 'vikings' raiding the coastal centers, not climate change destroying crops............ the Hebrew Exodus ?

More please

That was them. Hebrews were the Sea People.

[Hastur]

Hebrews

So, not Bronze Age 'vikings' raiding the coastal centers, not climate change destroying crops............ the Hebrew Exodus ?

More please

That was them. Hebrews were the Sea People.

I though it was the Philistines that were suposed to be the Sea Peoples.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The Vikings did that very thing in the North Sea and Baltic 2000 years later. Took England, Ireland, Normandy, Russia, portions of France, Netherlands, Poland, etc.

They took some areas of underdeveloped nations, but never caused a full-scale collapse of trade.

England wasn’t even “England” yet, and Russia was still just tribes. France was a coherent power, but they weren’t anything like an empire.

OK, so what do you think caused the trade collapse.

Like I said, the sea peoples probably disrupted shipping enough that merchants raised their prices. The system was over-leveraged and collapsed.

[C-Mag]

Round Up

Monte --> Iron Age Weapons defeat Bronze Age Weapons
SubFarmer --> Economic Collapse brought on by Bronze Age 'vikings'
StA --> Hebrew Sea People
Hastur --> Bronze Age Flower Power

[Speaker to Animals]

Not just the Hebrews. I don't think they were one people. They were described as a federation of different peoples.

It wasn't just by sea either.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The Hebrews were stunningly important to history, for some desert nomads that didn’t control territory.

And apparently, were also sea faring raiders that scared the Assyrians.

Dude seriously. They thought a boat was simply a gigantic wooden cube, and could hold a million animals.