Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job.

[jediuser598]

If you know OSHA in Illinois, perhaps you can get better results. Please don't list me though.

Sorry, bro - no can do. I left Illinois 18 years ago. My anecdotal experience aside, it does surprise me that they aren't jumping at the potential revenue.

Illinois was better 18 years ago.

It's really gone down hill now. It's getting bad. The college I went to is going under, a public university at that.

Illinois decided to delay in paying out lottery winners:

[jediuser598]

Liz Whitehurst dabbled in several careers before she ended up here, crating fistfuls of fresh-cut arugula in the early-November chill.

The hours were better at her nonprofit jobs. So were the benefits. But two years ago, the 32-year-old Whitehurst — who graduated from a liberal arts college and grew up in the Chicago suburbs — abandoned Washington for this three-acre farm in Upper Marlboro, Md.

She joined a growing movement of highly educated, ex-urban, first-time farmers who are capitalizing on booming consumer demand for local and sustainable foods and who, experts say, could have a broad impact on the food system.

For only the second time in the last century, the number of farmers under 35 years old is increasing, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's latest Census of Agriculture. Sixty-nine percent of the surveyed young farmers had college degrees — significantly higher than the general population.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... 13aba184af

They aren't taking those jobs because they are becoming farmers.

Big Agra is a turd.

Makes sense.

I like this article.

[nmoore63]

There seems to be a lot of folks dissing on the American worker these days. (not anyone in this thread)

I agree with DB here:

Love how Americans are working in mines, on remote cell tiwers, on oil platforms, and crabbing in arctic waters, but they obviously won’t do farm labor because it’s hard and can take place in “extreme” temperatures (never mind that plants don’t grow in extreme temperatures).

Americans do a lot of tough jobs. Crab fishing, is not an easy job. It's also a dangerous job.

From a quick search, the wage is "At the end of a season, crewmen can bring home as much as $20,000 to $50,000 for three months of work."

The only reason these farm jobs exist as they do is because importing labor makes the businesses possible, whereas if they didn't import labor, they'd instead just automate the whole thing.

This disparaging tone I hear from some folks I talk to on a normal basis, about the American worker, shows they don't really know the American worker at all. Anyone whose done factory work, know what kind of shit people put up with on a daily basis. Worked at this one plant where workers were inhaling plastic fumes from injection molding (got the worst headache of my life from it), yet those factories were the only thing keeping that town alive. They paid, starting out, $9 an hour. They were not light work. In the summer it was so hot in there (I had quit by that time) that one worker complained about the conditions, so instead of fixing it they took the thermometer off the wall.

I don't really like the tone I'm getting from people who are crowing that Americans, in general, are lazy.

In Eastern Washington its 105.

When the thermometer on the farm hits 105, outdoor work stops and everyone goes home.

[doc_loliday]

That's why I'm amicable towards immigrants in general, I work with a few 5 days a week, and interact with them daily. We're all just folk. All just trying to make our lot in life better. If I were in a shitty country, that paid shitty wages, I'd move too, either legally or illegally, to try and make my life better. I could have stayed where I grew up, but they're just shit piled on top of shit, and even if I gave my entire life of work to fix it, it wouldn't make a dent. Too much entrenched interests, and maybe the people don't even want change? Better to just move on. I empathize with immigrants, even though their lives have been much harder than mine, I give them that.

Yes, there are many that just want to come and works their assess off. But there's a enormous downside that people refuse to talk about. I've been seeing dead pitbulls dumped on the sides of the roads next to orchards and vineyards my whole life. There are shanty towns up and down the central valley. They dump their garbage everywhere, no matter how big or small. They just expect the citizens to take care of it. They build dangerous and illegal structures. The cities will do nothing about it. The unwritten rule is that they are off limits, whereas you or I could never get away with those crimes. Then there is the massive identity theft they commit. The absurdity of it all will drive you crazy.

[doc_loliday]

And what about the social and cultural damage? La Raza spreads hatred and divisiveness. They burn the flag of the country that under no circumstances would they ever leave, and hoist the flag of the country that under no circumstances would they ever return. The romanticism of these people borders on the fetish, yet its almost entirely political.

[jediuser598]

And what about the social and cultural damage? La Raza spreads hatred and divisiveness. They burn the flag of the country that under no circumstances would they ever leave, and hoist the flag of the country that under no circumstances would they ever return. The romanticism of these people borders on the fetish, yet its almost entirely political.

I don't romanticize the people who come here and hang on to their past heritage more than they would want to become an American, if that's even an option for them. Take an immigrant who came here, and was willing to assimilate and work hard, sure, bring their own flavor, but they're not burning American flags or putting their old country's flag above the American flag. Those are the people I empathize with, would welcome in. They want to be a part of the American Experiment, happy to have them.

The ones that are waving the Mexican flag in the street, or whatever flag? Yeah fuck them. Goodbye. Then again I think anyone waving a confederate flag around is on the same level. Fuck them too. I sure don't see an American flag on the ceiling of your truck, certainly see you wearing a confederate hat on Fourth of July.

[Martin Hash]

If people won’t work a job because the wages are too low, raise wages. Or slaves, you could use slaves.

[Martin Hash]

Or smuggle in destitute people and hold them at your mercy, that’s been working.

[Martin Hash]

Or make other people bear the cost, that’s always a good one.

[Martin Hash]

I have tons of Libertarian solutions.