Dan Carlin on Joe Rogan Experience #1041

[Montegriffo]

Non dystopian Japan

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 94696.html

[StCapps]

Not if you’re running a state in the interests of one group. There is no scenario in which that’s a positive for other groups living there.

Incorrect there are many scenarios where the ethnic group that runs the ethno state has interests that coincide with other ethnic groups within the ethno state. You're imagination just sucks, SIFCLF blinders.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Not if you’re running a state in the interests of one group. There is no scenario in which that’s a positive for other groups living there.

Incorrect there are many scenarios where the ethnic group that runs the ethno state has interests that coincide with other ethnic groups within the ethno state. You're imagination just sucks, SIFCLF blinders.

No, clown. you just redefined the issue.

It's not merely "An ethnic group running the state". It's "A state run in the interest of an ethic group". The difference is huge.

[StCapps]

Not if you’re running a state in the interests of one group. There is no scenario in which that’s a positive for other groups living there.

Incorrect there are many scenarios where the ethnic group that runs the ethno state has interests that coincide with other ethnic groups within the ethno state. You're imagination just sucks, SIFCLF blinders.

No, clown. you just redefined the issue.

It's not merely "An ethnic group running the state". It's "A state run in the interest of an ethic group". The difference is huge.

Not really. Interests of different ethnic groups can coincide, there is nothing in the definition that says the interests of one ethnic group always oppose the interests of other ethnic groups, so if any ethnic group gets an ethnostate of it's very own, it automatically leads to dystopia. You reading that into the definition is you being stupid.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Incorrect there are many scenarios where the ethnic group that runs the ethno state has interests that coincide with other ethnic groups within the ethno state. You're imagination just sucks, SIFCLF blinders.

No, clown. you just redefined the issue.

It's not merely "An ethnic group running the state". It's "A state run in the interest of an ethic group". The difference is huge.

Not really. Interests of different ethnic groups can coincide, there is nothing in the definition that says the interests of one ethnic group always oppose the interests of other ethnic groups, so if any ethnic group gets an ethnostate of it's very own, it automatically leads to dystopia. You reading that into the definition is you being stupid.

Ok. How's that worked out anywhere?

Are gaijin considered equal citizens to native Japanese?
How's it going for non-Jews living in Israel?
How about the middle east? open arms for outsiders? No?

Dystopia never looks like dystopia to the privileged few.

[K@th]

Incorrect there are many scenarios where the ethnic group that runs the ethno state has interests that coincide with other ethnic groups within the ethno state. You're imagination just sucks, SIFCLF blinders.

No, clown. you just redefined the issue.

It's not merely "An ethnic group running the state". It's "A state run in the interest of an ethic group". The difference is huge.

Not really. Interests of different ethnic groups can coincide, there is nothing in the definition that says the interests of one ethnic group always oppose the interests of other ethnic groups, so if any ethnic group gets an ethnostate of it's very own, it automatically leads to dystopia. You reading that into the definition is you being stupid.

I'm pretty sure DSLs version of an all white America doesn't include anything good for Muslims, Blacks & Hispanics.

[StCapps]

I'm pretty sure DSLs version of an all white America doesn't include anything good for Muslims, Blacks & Hispanics.

The measures he proposed didn't include anything bad for Muslims, Blacks & Hispanics, so not sure why you are out to demonize his position. Do you really need the goalposts set in a way that makes them easy to clear? Enough of strawmanning those you disagree with in the ethnostate argument, it's getting tiresome, and not just when StA does it.

How about arguing against the best arguments of the other side instead of creating terrible arguments to put in their mouths? It will lead to higher quality conversation about ethnostates than this grade school arguing past each other shit.

[DBTrek]

I think the consensus is we simply spend time talking to intelligent people, rather than wasting breath on Canadian dimwits who are only able to regurgitate catchphrases ad nauseum.
At least, that's my plan, ergo my reduced presence in this clown factory.

[TheReal_ND]

Pls

Don't go

[DBTrek]

I see you patronizin'.

Anyway, gotta go start a thread about how everything here sucks and how I'm leaving because you all suck, and how Martin should kick out everyone I don't like so this place doesn't suck so much. It'll take a while. Rule is fifteen thousand words minimum when quiting a sucky place.