100 Years of Communism

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heydaralon wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:20 pm
BjornP wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:39 pm Behind a paywall, but should be enough:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stal ... -2jnxlv62v
Almost half of all young Russians know nothing about Stalin’s purges, a new opinion poll suggests, with the Soviet despot’s reputation being steadily restored under President Putin.

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However, 47 per cent of Russians aged between 18 and 24 told the state-run VTsIOM pollster that they were hearing about Stalin-era political repression for the first time.
This probably won't help that trend (or explains it?):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russ ... SKCN1J50RE
Russian historians have raised concern authorities are playing down Stalin-era crimes after they learned that police destroyed the archive records of a victim of the Soviet dictator’s purges, citing a previously unknown government directive.
Anne Applebaum discussed some of this in Gulag. She concluded most Russians don't give a shit about Stalin's crimes. They want to move on I guess.
Most Russians are drunkards.....seriously...look up the stats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_c ... _in_Russia)....it's a country full of but hurt drunken proles who long the glory days of the USSR when they weren't the laughing stock of the world.

Not that the Russian Mil and Scientists shouldn't be respected....but not surprised that most Russians shrug off Soviet Crimes....
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Zlaxer wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:20 pm
heydaralon wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:20 pm
BjornP wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:39 pm Behind a paywall, but should be enough:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stal ... -2jnxlv62v



This probably won't help that trend (or explains it?):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russ ... SKCN1J50RE

Anne Applebaum discussed some of this in Gulag. She concluded most Russians don't give a shit about Stalin's crimes. They want to move on I guess.
Most Russians are drunkards.....seriously...look up the stats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_c ... _in_Russia)....it's a country full of but hurt drunken proles who long the glory days of the USSR when they weren't the laughing stock of the world.

Not that the Russian Mil and Scientists shouldn't be respected....but not surprised that most Russians shrug off Soviet Crimes....
All that is surreal ...there probably should be a middle ground between rememberences and going onward. No massive guilt like the Germans (which is harmful for the people of Germany) but something more than what most Russians seem to think about their horrid past .
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Anne Applebaum discussed some of this in Gulag. She concluded most Russians don't give a shit about Stalin's crimes. They want to move on I guess. However, a large number of them revere him. I don't give a shit if Russians don't want to remember their past. I think its important, if only as a lesson to the West about how dark things can get if we start going down the road of Collectivism, if we start limiting speech, if we tear down the family and try to legitimize socially destructive policies. Ironically, no one gives a shit about history in the West anyway, so we in all honesty have already forgotten the lessons anyway and are probably doomed.
Tbh, I don't think anyone (in power) in the West, East, South or even North ever really cared much about history unless it could be used, somehow. The reason history, as a scholarly/academic discipline, should exist is primarily to counter all the ideological, religious, philosophical and even personal, familial and dynastical interests people may have to paint history in a - to them and their message - favorable light. While tyrannies will simply destroy the historical evidence, plenty of people in democracies will simply stuff their fingers in their ears and declare that historical source so-and-so should not be considered because it's racist/Communist/Nazi/ginger/from "Clan McWrong whereas my clan, McRight's stories are always right.. Freedooooom!".

History in the West for most people today is primarily about entertaintment. About getting an "experience". I think what comes closest to genuine, historical interest for average people, as in people not in positions of power, are those people who do or have done genealogical research into their own familiy's past. Sure, alot of them start out wanting to find someone "impressive" or have some ideal image of some ancestor of theirs, and a few of those may stop when it looks like they won't find that... but in my experience more of those people go on to become interested in the, sometimes ugly, unflattering or sometimes just plain... plain truths of their family history.

Zlaxer:
Most Russians are drunkards.....seriously...look up the stats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_c ... _in_Russia)....it's a country full of but hurt drunken proles who long the glory days of the USSR when they weren't the laughing stock of the world.

Not that the Russian Mil and Scientists shouldn't be respected....but not surprised that most Russians shrug off Soviet Crimes....
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/euro ... rend-grows
Russians are drinking less than at any point since the fall of the Soviet Union, figures show, as a raft of government measures bear fruit and healthy living becomes ever more fashionable.

Vodka might still serve as a national symbol but last year Russians drank less alcohol per capita than the French or Germans, according to World Health Organisation data that factored in consumption of bootleg booze.

And tobacco use also plummeted by more than a fifth between 2009 and 2016, down to 30 per cent of Russians smoking according to the most recent Global Adult Tobacco Survey.
Simply blaming the "proles", when it's the Russian elites who are those giving those "proles" the impression that everything will be better for them once they regain their old borders and turn their neighbouring countries into the vassal states they were under the Soviet Union, seems rather unjustified. Russians do generally feel that the world slights them, sure. But it's not simply your no-longer-really-existing stereotypical vodka-drinking Russian lowlife slobs who think that Russia is better off without laws that guarentee freedom of speech (unless it praises the government).
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It's too bad for the Europeans that they don't have a vibrant public education system like we do over here, instilling a deep understanding of and passion for our history and our culture.
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Actually not bad, EU. Keep the krauts in line.

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Solzhenitsyn's banned book
Alexander Solzhenitsyn was embraced by the Western establishment. However, his final work entitled ''200 Years Together'' which explores the tumultuous relationship of Russians and Jews, is yet to be published in the English language, for reasons which remain mysterious. Writer F. Roger Devlin translated it to French and writes an essay on it in English.
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C-Mag wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:59 pm Solzhenitsyn's banned book
Alexander Solzhenitsyn was embraced by the Western establishment. However, his final work entitled ''200 Years Together'' which explores the tumultuous relationship of Russians and Jews, is yet to be published in the English language, for reasons which remain mysterious. Writer F. Roger Devlin translated it to French and writes an essay on it in English.
I described the revolution literally hour by hour, and never ceased encountering episodes and discussion of the Jewish theme in the sources. Would I have been right to put all of it into the pages of March 1917? It would not have been the first time in history that a book and its readers succumbed to the facile and crude temptation to throw all the blame on the Jews, their actions, their ideas, to allow oneself to see in them the principal cause of events and thereby avoid the search for the real causes.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2015/0 ... et-russia/
https://archive.org/details/Solzhenitsy ... rsTogether

English version?
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Haumana wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:20 pm
C-Mag wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:59 pm Solzhenitsyn's banned book
Alexander Solzhenitsyn was embraced by the Western establishment. However, his final work entitled ''200 Years Together'' which explores the tumultuous relationship of Russians and Jews, is yet to be published in the English language, for reasons which remain mysterious. Writer F. Roger Devlin translated it to French and writes an essay on it in English.
I described the revolution literally hour by hour, and never ceased encountering episodes and discussion of the Jewish theme in the sources. Would I have been right to put all of it into the pages of March 1917? It would not have been the first time in history that a book and its readers succumbed to the facile and crude temptation to throw all the blame on the Jews, their actions, their ideas, to allow oneself to see in them the principal cause of events and thereby avoid the search for the real causes.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2015/0 ... et-russia/
https://archive.org/details/Solzhenitsy ... rsTogether

English version?
Russo Jewish History with missing chapters. The Missing chapters are hard to find in English, if they can be found at all!
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