College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote

[Okeefenokee]

Democracy is the selection method most suited to liberty because I make my own decisions and my vote is relatively worth the same as yours. Citizenship & practicing liberty aren't the same thing. A bunch of people in an auditorium deciding on whether to turn the heat up or down doesn't depend on the citizenship of the people in the auditorium, just that they are the ones affected by it.

p.s. If your argument is that people outside the auditorium are voting then okay but once someone is inside the auditorium, they're just as important as anyone else.

Interesting.

Would you run your company that way?
Instead of shareholders voting on decisions, everyone in the company gets an equal vote?
Some dude holds 30% of the shares, but the opinion of two part time janitors carry twice the weight?

This.

Let's hear from the law firm where the guy with his name on the door gives the secretary equal footing in decision making.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It's been a long time, so I'll restate my position.

1) A WALL (or just Trump-like rhetoric, that's doing almost as good as a wall). If you're here, citizenship.
or for people who just can't get over Illegals getting rewarded...
2) A WALL. It will take 50 years but Illegals will eventually die off. Any child born to an Illegal is a citizen by birthright, so problem solved.

The key to controlling Illegals is A WALL.

You just locked the doors to an auditorium full of angry, sweating people. And destroyed their food supply.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Remember the days before the immigration policy we adopted a couple decades ago when we were all starving because no one knew how to pick tomatoes until we realized the mexicans were genetically designed for it?

Fuck off.

You mean when farmers could expect a decent price for their labor, before government subsidized acreage, creating Big Ag? That time before we became the global reserve currency, and starting tossing out blank checks and printing money, which distorted our economy so far out of line from reality, that it no longer makes sense to pay an American worker a starvation wage to do menial labor?

[DBTrek]

A business is built on the construct of a polite society. I can only be discriminatory in my business because State Violence will intercede on my behalf. If I was some Joe Shareholder in chaos, the first looter to come along would take my shares. People only hand over their Right of Violence to The State because they have a say, in our case, democracy. So at the root, if you don't want people to exercise their own Right to Violence then you have to let them in on the decision-making.

I use the business analogy to parallel the following similarities:

• 1. A shareholder is invested in the company. Their success is tied to the company's success. As the company prospers, so too, do they.
  
  2. A worker doesn't care about a particular company. They want a paycheck. They'll always gravitate to the best payout. They don't care whether a company prospers or fails as long as there's another company available to hire them.

So if citizens are shareholders (invested in America, prospering as America prospers and suffering when it fails) and illegals are simply workers (mercenaries on the lookout for the best deal for themselves), I have to wonder why you'd let mercenaries share an equal voice in the direction of the company. They aren't invested. They don't care. Their idea is always the same - "give us more". When that idea pushes the company to ruin they move like locusts to the next one.

So why would you treat them equally just because they're "in the company"?
They're in, but they're not invested.

[Okeefenokee]

You just locked the doors to an auditorium full of angry, sweating people. And destroyed their food supply.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Remember the days before the immigration policy we adopted a couple decades ago when we were all starving because no one knew how to pick tomatoes until we realized the mexicans were genetically designed for it?

Fuck off.

You mean when farmers could expect a decent price for their labor, before government subsidized acreage, creating Big Ag? That time before we became the global reserve currency, and starting tossing out blank checks and printing money, which distorted our economy so far out of line from reality, that it no longer makes sense to pay an American worker a starvation wage to do menial labor?

Go ahead and put some dates on those events, and then explain how we made it through for centuries between them all until we discovered mexicans.

[Okeefenokee]

A business is built on the construct of a polite society. I can only be discriminatory in my business because State Violence will intercede on my behalf. If I was some Joe Shareholder in chaos, the first looter to come along would take my shares. People only hand over their Right of Violence to The State because they have a say, in our case, democracy. So at the root, if you don't want people to exercise their own Right to Violence then you have to let them in on the decision-making.

I use the business analogy to parallel the following similarities:

• 1. A shareholder is invested in the company. Their success is tied to the company's success. As the company prospers, so too, do they.
  
  2. A worker doesn't care about a particular company. They want a paycheck. They'll always gravitate to the best payout. They don't care whether a company prospers or fails as long as there's another company available to hire them.

So if citizens are shareholders (invested in America, prospering as America prospers and suffering when it fails) and illegals are simply workers (mercenaries on the lookout for the best deal for themselves), I have to wonder why you'd let mercenaries share an equal voice in the direction of the company. They aren't invested. They don't care. Their idea is always the same - "give us more". When that idea pushes the company to ruin they move like locusts to the next one.

So why would you treat them equally just because they're "in the company"?
They're in, but they're not invested.

because they vote democrat.

notice martin hasn't left the part of collectivists.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Remember the days before the immigration policy we adopted a couple decades ago when we were all starving because no one knew how to pick tomatoes until we realized the mexicans were genetically designed for it?

Fuck off.

You mean when farmers could expect a decent price for their labor, before government subsidized acreage, creating Big Ag? That time before we became the global reserve currency, and starting tossing out blank checks and printing money, which distorted our economy so far out of line from reality, that it no longer makes sense to pay an American worker a starvation wage to do menial labor?

Go ahead and put some dates on those events, and then explain how we made it through for centuries between them all until we discovered mexicans.

Decent price for farm work? All the way until the 1950s. Ask yourself why there wasn't a Monsanto, or a few dozen monster farm conglomerates prior to that.

Weirdly enough, we were known for accepting immigrants for 200 years previous... Some would even say massive numbers of them.

[Okeefenokee]

You mean when farmers could expect a decent price for their labor, before government subsidized acreage, creating Big Ag? That time before we became the global reserve currency, and starting tossing out blank checks and printing money, which distorted our economy so far out of line from reality, that it no longer makes sense to pay an American worker a starvation wage to do menial labor?

Go ahead and put some dates on those events, and then explain how we made it through for centuries between them all until we discovered mexicans.

Decent price for farm work? All the way until the 1950s. Ask yourself why there wasn't a Monsanto, or a few dozen monster farm conglomerates prior to that.

Weirdly enough, we were known for accepting immigrants for 200 years previous... Some would even say massive numbers of them.

Predictable,

In 1901 Monsanto was founded in St. Louis, Missouri, as a chemical company.[15] The founder was John Francis Queeny, a 30‑year veteran of the nascent pharmaceutical industry. He funded the firm with his own money and capital from a soft drink distributor.

So, half a century ago, we were all starving until we imported millions of cheap farm workers thirty years ago, and that all happened because Monsanto didn't exist yet, even though it existed more than a century ago. You need to cancel your netflix sub.

Typical low info libshit nonsense. Just admit you only care about cheap shit off the backs of poor foreigners, lest you have to pay your fellow citizen what you would reasonably have to pay them if you didn't have an endless supply of cheap foreign labor. And then tell us again about how no one in this horrible world can make it.

I mean, we only live in the most prosperous civilization in human history, and we even have a cohort of millions of poor foreigners making sure we have a daily supply of fresh produce from around the world, but don't let that cause you to stray from you narrative.

LIFE HERE IS MISERY AND FUTILITY. DON'T TAKE AWAY MY SLAVES. IT'S ALL I HAVE LEFT.

[Martin Hash]

Liberty & citizenship have nothing to do with each other:

You're on a desert island. You cultivate coconuts, have a fresh water source & fish. You're the only one there but you can see another island in the distance but you're heard it is overrun with crabs. One day you see a raft from the other island; on it is a person who lands on your island. You can:
1) kill them
2) overpower & imprison them
3) overpower & enslave them
4) overpower, tie them up, put them back on the raft, keep doing this every time they come back
5) have any of the previous things done to you
6) ignore them but they're eating your coconuts & catching your fish
7) divide the island & live peacefully
8) divide the island & be at war
9) become allies, which requires voting

[Zlaxer]

We should organize a voting block of non-citizens to advocate for the bailout of Hartford with College park money...they need in Hartford is greater, and College Park seems to be doing just fine.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Go ahead and put some dates on those events, and then explain how we made it through for centuries between them all until we discovered mexicans.

Decent price for farm work? All the way until the 1950s. Ask yourself why there wasn't a Monsanto, or a few dozen monster farm conglomerates prior to that.

Weirdly enough, we were known for accepting immigrants for 200 years previous... Some would even say massive numbers of them.

Predictable,

In 1901 Monsanto was founded in St. Louis, Missouri, as a chemical company.[15] The founder was John Francis Queeny, a 30‑year veteran of the nascent pharmaceutical industry. He funded the firm with his own money and capital from a soft drink distributor.

So, half a century ago, we were all starving until we imported millions of cheap farm workers thirty years ago, and that all happened because Monsanto didn't exist yet, even though it existed more than a century ago. You need to cancel your netflix sub.

Well there's a whole bunch of things that I didn't say...

Typical low info libshit nonsense. Just admit you only care about cheap shit off the backs of poor foreigners, lest you have to pay your fellow citizen what you would reasonably have to pay them if you didn't have an endless supply of cheap foreign labor. And then tell us again about how no one in this horrible world can make it.

I mean, we only live in the most prosperous civilization in human history,

That's the result of hegemon. Not some inherent glorious beauty in our system. But enjoy it, cause it won't last much longer.

and we even have a cohort of millions of poor foreigners making sure we have a daily supply of fresh produce from around the world, but don't let that cause you to stray from you narrative.

LIFE HERE IS MISERY AND FUTILITY. DON'T TAKE AWAY MY SLAVES. IT'S ALL I HAVE LEFT.

Yes, and they cross a desert to get here and eat shit, because it gives them more money than they can make at home. Because our wages are insanely high, compared to the rest of the world.

It makes us really, really good at buying stuff, but we can't compete with anyone to make stuff. So, that stuff gets made elsewhere. The gordian knot only tightens.