Proper Procedure for Fighting?

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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by Ex-California » Mon May 29, 2017 2:25 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:I don't advocate don't fight back. I'm pro fighting. I just don't think it's worth it in modern public school. Better off trying to survive and learn how to not draw attention. Don't get wrapped up in the hood SHIT
Fuck that, I'd have to walk tall, better to die a hood, then scurry around in the shadows meekly, can't help it but to attract attention when you're popular with the chicks, that makes you a target, but what are you supposed to do, be a monk?

You guys said they get punished either way, even if they don't fight back, so it's a wash, Kobayashi Maru, Kafkaesque paradigm, hence; might as well just walk tall, come what may, nec aspera terrent.
Idk what to tell you. I just wouldn't want my son to get caught up in the system. I would want him to keep his head down and do his work, what little work there actually is in public school. This isn't white america where it used to be par for course to have dust ups. This is something else and he needs to get the fuck out.
He's right Smitty. And the closer you are to urban areas the worse it is. Southern CA juvie might as well be Federal pound you in the ass Penitentiary. Blond kids ain't doing well in there
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by C-Mag » Mon May 29, 2017 2:26 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:I don't advocate don't fight back. I'm pro fighting. I just don't think it's worth it in modern public school. Better off trying to survive and learn how to not draw attention. Don't get wrapped up in the hood SHIT
Fuck that, I'd have to walk tall, better to die a hood, then scurry around in the shadows meekly, can't help it but to attract attention when you're popular with the chicks, that makes you a target, but what are you supposed to do, be a monk?

You guys said they get punished either way, even if they don't fight back, so it's a wash, Kobayashi Maru, Kafkaesque paradigm, hence; might as well just walk tall, come what may, nec aspera terrent.

Had to look that one up, NICE.

We need to take a Prohibition stance on fighting. They can make stupid rules, with stupid punishments that go against human nature; but we don't have to follow them.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:28 pm

TheReal_ND wrote: Idk what to tell you. I just wouldn't want my son to get caught up in the system. I would want him to keep his head down and do his work, what little work there actually is in public school. This isn't white america where it used to be par for course to have dust ups. This is something else and he needs to get the fuck out.
Yeah, sure, parent's point of view, but I'm putting myself back into my shoes at the time, not my mommy's shoes, mind you, my mommy was a "not one step back" kinda chick, so she wouldn't have had me take a free beat down neither.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:36 pm

California wrote:He's right Smitty. And the closer you are to urban areas the worse it is. Southern CA juvie might as well be Federal pound you in the ass Penitentiary. Blond kids ain't doing well in there
Again, I'm not a parent, I don't look at it from a parent's point of view, parent's don't have to stand in the breach, what the fuck do they know? If they are want to cower meekly, easy for them, not so easy, when you're the one being stepped to for a free beat down, a homey's gotta do what a homey's gotta do, you could end up dead anyways just letting the homey's pummel you with impunity, pack mentality, no quarter nor mercy, stay on your feet, the curb stomp is no sanctuary.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by Ex-California » Mon May 29, 2017 2:41 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
California wrote:He's right Smitty. And the closer you are to urban areas the worse it is. Southern CA juvie might as well be Federal pound you in the ass Penitentiary. Blond kids ain't doing well in there
Again, I'm not a parent, I don't look at it from a parent's point of view, parent's don't have to stand in the breach, what the fuck do they know? If they are want to cower meekly, easy for them, not so easy, when you're the one being stepped to for a free beat down, a homey's gotta do what a homey's gotta do, you could end up dead anyways just letting the homey's stomp you with impunity, stay on your feet, the curb stomp is no sanctuary.
Well, when it actually comes to blows that's a different story. There is a lot of posturing and lead-up to the vast majority of fights, that's where I'm going to tell my kids to back down.

If it gets physical? Then they break the aggressor. I love what the BJJ training is doing for my son already, and when my daughter is old enough she will join in as well. She's already loving being at the gym every day.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:45 pm

Yeah, Royce Gracie them, JJ is the way, unfortunately I didn't get into that sort of UAC until I was in the army, but nobody was a ninja when I was in HS, so we could old fashion hockey fight our way out of most jams.

The only thing I ever took as a kid, was Karate, there was no JJ Dojos around back then, it was all Shotokan.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by StCapps » Mon May 29, 2017 3:08 pm

BJJ is pricey, and Wrestling is the better base for one on one unarmed combat. Being able to control where the fight takes place, kind of key. If the Jiu-Jitsu guy can't take the fight to the ground, fish out of water, Boxer can't keep the fight on the feet, same-same.

Also if you are going train jiu-jitsu, I'd advice making sure to take no-gi classes as well. Lapel chokes aren't that useful if the dude doesn't have a gi or a heavy jacket. Pro tip.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by DrYouth » Mon May 29, 2017 3:14 pm

I had to give my kid permission to fight.

I wouldn't have guessed he needed it... I never needed permission as a kid.

But he wasn't fighting back. He must have internalized the unwritten rules. And he was getting bullied.

Once he had permission the bullying stopped... almost overnight.

Crazy lightbulb moment!

He hasn't even had one serious fight that I know of... but simply knowing that he wouldn't be in trouble from me or his mom if he did, gave him the confidence he needed.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon May 29, 2017 3:14 pm

Unarmed Combat Course is the better base for one on one unarmed combat, takes elements from everything, including JJ, the only problem is; every shot is a kill shot, it's not "self defense", it's all offensive and geared for maximum lethality, more holplology than martial art.
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Re: Proper Procedure for Fighting?

Post by StCapps » Mon May 29, 2017 3:18 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Unarmed Combat Course is the better base for one on one unarmed combat, takes elements from everything, including JJ, the only problem is; every shot is a kill shot, it's not "self defense", it's all offensive and geared for maximum lethality, more holplology than martial art.
Well yeah, obviously any legit martial arts training that focuses on street fight specific tactics and strategies is going to be better than any traditional martial art for training an effective street fighter. Just saying among the traditional martial arts, wrestling is the best base of the bunch for that sort of thing.
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