Cory Booker. Likable Democrat. You'd vote for him.

[DBTrek]

We need to find common ground on battles we have to win, and accept that some battles we're going to lose. Otherwise, we're on course to lose all battles. So you find a guy who values America, values industry over government dependence, values religious tolerance, despises identity politics, and you see if you can work with that as a starting point. Because it's not like New Jersey will ever hand you a Rand Paul to work with.

[Speaker to Animals]

We really need to just break up. This is not working. You can have your world and the rest of us can have our own. If you want to become the next South Africa, then that's on you. As long as our borders are secured, it's no skin off my back.

[DBTrek]

Escapism is nice, but you can't live it.
/shrug

[Speaker to Animals]

Then I guess we are headed in the direction of Zimbabwe and South Africa.

[DBTrek]

If we let the narrative become white men vs. all.
The dems would love that.

I prefer we subvert that narrative personally, not fuel it.

[Speaker to Animals]

If we let the narrative become white men vs. all.
The dems would love that.

I prefer we subvert that narrative personally, not fuel it.

It already is that. It's not our choice that it became that. We don't get to opt out of it either. This is the political environment in which you must operate.

[Xenophon]

So we've moved from "voting straight party lines" to "sure, people cross the aisle it's unremarkable".
And people are supposed to give your opinions weight why, again?
Like I said, nobodies are never shy to criticize somebody. Often everybody. But who cares?
Honestly, there's nothing a Sanders, Trump, Paul, or Booker could do to save themselves from the criticisms of nobodies. Impossible. Can't be done. So sometime it's good to remind folks to contrast the record of the criticized with the record of the critics.

It's called perspective.

Let me revise my statement so it is more clear to you. When I said he votes straight party lines, I was implying that he is in bed ideologically with the Democratic Party establishment. And as his voting record in Congress proves that I am right. I don't care if he's a nice guy. I don't care if he says, "I love America, freedom, and apple pie." Hillary Clinton has said all that crap too. You are trying to paint him as some freedom fighting independent, when that is not the case at all.

His voting record doesn't reflect the values he says he has. What does that tell you, DB?

Your ad hominem attacks are beneath you.

[DBTrek]

Well, Cory Booker doesn't buy that narrative and he's a Dem. So it's not a view that's locked in. Isn't it worth the effort to prevent it from becoming locked in by highlighting representatives who aren't buying, rather than conceding contested ground we can't afford to lose?

[DBTrek]

Xen, you're being dumb. Complaining that someone only votes along party lines isn't an issue, unless that party is 100% wrong all of the time. Plus, as I've demonstrated he does not vote along party lines all of the time. So you can play into the hands of ideologues if you want. But I will never agree that it is a wise strategy.

[Xenophon]

Well, Cory Booker doesn't buy that narrative and he's a Dem. So it's not a view that's locked in. Isn't it worth the effort to prevent it from becoming locked in by highlighting representatives who aren't buying, rather than conceding contested ground we can't afford to lose?

Are you saying that because he says he's not ideologically entrenched, that must mean he's not? At best, he's in a state of cognitive dissonance.