Most Important Battle for Western Civilization?

[Okeefenokee]

Battle of Tours "Stop! It's hammer time"

awesome. that's going on the wall someday.

[Hastur]

Most important?

Hands down The Siege and Sack of Baghdad and slaughter of muslims by Hulagu Khan 1258.

Practically set back the worst competitor of the West for centuries and as a consequence turned the fertile farm lands into a desert for ever. The depopulation was huge. Culture declined. With the new Mongol rule Muslim focus shifted towards the north east. It probably gave Europe a respite for a couple of hundred years and weakened what we now call the ME in way they still haven't recovered from.

http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/

[Hwen Hoshino]

Most important?

Hands down The Siege and Sack of Baghdad and slaughter of muslims by Hulagu Khan 1258.

Practically set back the worst competitor of the West for centuries and as a consequence turned the fertile farm lands into a desert for ever. The depopulation was huge. Culture declined. With the new Mongol rule Muslim focus shifted towards the north east. It probably gave Europe a respite for a couple of hundred years and weakened what we now call the ME in way they still haven't recovered from.

http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/

Could you explain how fertile farmland turned into desert? Sounds pretty Star Trek if it was done by the Mongols.

[Hastur]

Most important?

Hands down The Siege and Sack of Baghdad and slaughter of muslims by Hulagu Khan 1258.

Practically set back the worst competitor of the West for centuries and as a consequence turned the fertile farm lands into a desert for ever. The depopulation was huge. Culture declined. With the new Mongol rule Muslim focus shifted towards the north east. It probably gave Europe a respite for a couple of hundred years and weakened what we now call the ME in way they still haven't recovered from.

http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/

Could you explain how fertile farmland turned into desert? Sounds pretty Star Trek if it was done by the Mongols.

They killed somewhere up to 2.000.000 people and destroyed the irrigation system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_ ... al_decline

Some historians believe that the Mongol invasion destroyed much of the irrigation infrastructure that had sustained Mesopotamia for many millennia. Canals were cut as a military tactic and never repaired. So many people died or fled that neither the labor nor the organization were sufficient to maintain the canal system. It broke down or silted up. This theory was advanced by historian Svatopluk Souček in his 2000 book, A History of Inner Asia.
Other historians point to soil salination as the culprit in the decline in agriculture

[Hastur]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_G ... #Invasions

The Crusades put the Islamic world under pressure with invasions in the 11th and 12th centuries, but a far greater threat emerged from the East during the 13th century: in 1206, Genghis Khan established a powerful dynasty among the Mongols of central Asia. During the 13th century, this Mongol Empire conquered most of the Eurasian land mass, including China in the east and much of the old Islamic caliphate (as well as Kievan Rus) in the west. The destruction of Baghdad and the House of Wisdom by Hulagu Khan in 1258 has been seen by some as the end of the Islamic Golden Age. Later Mongol leaders, such as Timur, destroyed many cities, slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, and did irrevocable damage to the ancient irrigation systems of Mesopotamia. Muslims in lands subject to the Mongols now faced northeast, toward the land routes to China, rather than toward Mecca.

[Speaker to Animals]

Battle of Lepanto.

[Speaker to Animals]

[GloryofGreece]

Any roughly accurate numbers on how many Muslims invaded France and what they faced with the Hammer? Seems like its fashionable to downplay its significance today labeling it a "raiding party" more than a real army/invasion etc. Similar how the Mongols never really invaded Europe " in force" per se.?

[Speaker to Animals]

Any roughly accurate numbers on how many Muslims invaded France and what they faced with the Hammer? Seems like its fashionable to downplay its significance today labeling it a "raiding party" more than a real army/invasion etc. Similar how the Mongols never really invaded Europe " in force" per se.?

If you want to upset Alexander, call it a "reconnaissance in force".

[Ex-California]

Most important?

Hands down The Siege and Sack of Baghdad and slaughter of muslims by Hulagu Khan 1258.

Practically set back the worst competitor of the West for centuries and as a consequence turned the fertile farm lands into a desert for ever. The depopulation was huge. Culture declined. With the new Mongol rule Muslim focus shifted towards the north east. It probably gave Europe a respite for a couple of hundred years and weakened what we now call the ME in way they still haven't recovered from.

http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/

Wow, good point.

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