Trump's Push to Keep American Businesses Here

[Smitty-48]

Well, 7.000.000, I am not saying per year, it is quoted at about half the price of automation. And that counts as subsidizing in my book.

So you'd prefer to have the plant close and collect no taxes at all on it, nor on the labour, since they'd all be out of a job?

[Smitty-48]

Depends on if UTC automates here, or eventually moves to Mexico. Doesn't much matter to me.

I think we are entering into a period where we are going to have to start really trying out different templates for losing jobs while keeping people in the economy.

edit: super confusing grammar

So really, the whole "rage" thing was what? It's because it was Trump, wasn't it? If it was your boy Bernie who had saved those jobs, you'd be cheering, right?

Just admit it, don't bother trying to snow us.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Depends on if UTC automates here, or eventually moves to Mexico. Doesn't much matter to me.

I think we are entering into a period where we are going to have to start really trying out different templates for losing jobs while keeping people in the economy.

edit: super confusing grammar

So really, the whole "rage" thing was what? It's because it was Trump, wasn't it? If it was your boy Bernie who had saved those jobs, you'd be cheering, right?

Just admit it, don't bother trying to snow us.

I thought you didn't want to talk about he who will not be named by me.

And no, I am very skeptical that his democratic socialism would have worked any better in terms of keeping jobs. But we will never know, because, as you so forcefully argued, Trump won.

[Smitty-48]

Depends on if UTC automates here, or eventually moves to Mexico. Doesn't much matter to me.

I think we are entering into a period where we are going to have to start really trying out different templates for losing jobs while keeping people in the economy.

edit: super confusing grammar

So really, the whole "rage" thing was what? It's because it was Trump, wasn't it? If it was your boy Bernie who had saved those jobs, you'd be cheering, right?

Just admit it, don't bother trying to snow us.

I thought you didn't want to talk about he who will not be named by me.

And no, I am very skeptical that his democratic socialism would have worked any better in terms of keeping jobs. But we will never know, because, as you so forcefully argued, Trump won.

But now you're in a "rage" because he saved 1100 families from the dole, for a totally insignificant tax concession?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

But now you're in a "rage" because he saved 1100 families from the dole, for a totally insignificant tax concession?

Not in the short term, I am pleased about that. But my cautious optimism that there might be a long term plan is waning.

I have already conceded rage wasn't the best word, you can keep bringing it up if you like, but it makes me think you might be arguing disingenuously.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Well, 7.000.000, I am not saying per year, it is quoted at about half the price of automation. And that counts as subsidizing in my book.

So you'd prefer to have the plant close and collect no taxes at all on it, nor on the labour, since they'd all be out of a job?

No. I would prefer it if, when we subsidized an operation to keep jobs, there was a long term plan for keeping those jobs, or at least keeping the people working them in the economy in a meaningful way.

[Smitty-48]

But now you're in a "rage" because he saved 1100 families from the dole, for a totally insignificant tax concession?

Not in the short term, I am pleased about that. But my cautious optimism that there might be a long term plan is waning.

I have already conceded rage wasn't the best word, you can keep bringing it up if you like, but it makes me think you might be arguing disingenuously.

I'm not arguing, I'm just exposing your concern trolling hackery, there's no argument need be made, everyone reading this knows you're only back pedalling because you got called on it.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

But now you're in a "rage" because he saved 1100 families from the dole, for a totally insignificant tax concession?

Not in the short term, I am pleased about that. But my cautious optimism that there might be a long term plan is waning.

I have already conceded rage wasn't the best word, you can keep bringing it up if you like, but it makes me think you might be arguing disingenuously.

I'm not arguing, I'm just exposing your concern trolling hackery, there's no argument need be made, everyone reading this knows you're only back pedalling because you got called on it.

You are awfully confident that you know my motivations and thoughts better than I do.

[Smitty-48]

Not in the short term, I am pleased about that. But my cautious optimism that there might be a long term plan is waning.

I have already conceded rage wasn't the best word, you can keep bringing it up if you like, but it makes me think you might be arguing disingenuously.

I'm not arguing, I'm just exposing your concern trolling hackery, there's no argument need be made, everyone reading this knows you're only back pedalling because you got called on it.

You are awfully confident that you know my motivations and thoughts better than I do.

You're a convicted concern troller, the burden of proof is very low.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You're a convicted concern troller, the burden of proof is very low.

Yes, when your word about my thoughts and motivations trumps my word about my thoughts and motivations, the burden is very low indeed.

Are you just trying to get me to say something un-Christian by pressing the trolling accusation?