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[TheReal_ND]

It's another episode of commie cat face is smarter than the MIC

[SuburbanFarmer]

What use is an oceanic fighter jet? Again, we have 800+ military bases - hundreds with air strips - that could launch jets anywhere.

You can launch jets from bases, but you can't violate the sovereign airspace of another nation without it being an act of war.

Really, did you need me to explain that?
Surely you could've come to that conclusion on your own.

There are probably 3 countries in teh world that we don't have a neighboring airbase to. Not worth $100 billion for floating airstrips.

[DBTrek]

There are probably 3 countries in teh world that we don't have a neighboring airbase to. Not worth $100 billion for floating airstrips.

I find that assertion highly dubious.
Regardless, it's the difference between autonomy and dependence. You want your military dependent on the goodwill and cooperation of other nations, or would you like autonomy? We have both. You see no need for autonomy.

[kybkh]

Point being you aren't going to sail a CVS within range of an adversaries missiles until after defense degradation if you are looking to get it on.

[SuburbanFarmer]

There are probably 3 countries in teh world that we don't have a neighboring airbase to. Not worth $100 billion for floating airstrips.

I find that assertion highly dubious.
Regardless, it's the difference between autonomy and dependence. You want your military dependent on the goodwill and cooperation of other nations, or would you like autonomy? We have both. You see no need for autonomy.

So you see a need for our globe-spanning military to be present at any point on earth, and feel it's important that we're able to do this without consulting anyone else? We have some kind of inherent need to rule the planet now?

Not what I want to pay taxes for.

[DBTrek]

Well, when you live a lifetime in a nation like Poland where other powers are stomping through your yard, killing your people, wrecking your infrastructure, changing your government system, etc, etc . . . then you might see the values of an autonomous military that can project power beyond the reach of your own borders.

But . .. as you've grown up an entitled man in a heavily protected society, and have never been subjected to the dangers of a foreign army, it's understandable that you take your safety for granted.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well, when you live a lifetime in a nation like Poland where other powers are stomping through your yard, killing your people, wrecking your infrastructure, changing your government system, etc, etc . . . then you might see the values of an autonomous military that can project power beyond the reach of your own borders.

But . .. as you've grown up an entitled man in a heavily protected society, and have never been subjected to the dangers of a foreign army, it's understandable that you take your safety for granted.

I'm already heavily protected by the Atlantic and Pacific. I don't see any reason that I need total military dominance over Uzbekistan, at a moment's notice. It's complete insanity.

[Okeefenokee]

My understanding of advanced naval warfare is that surface vessels are simply targets while anti-ship defenses are operational. Until 1st salvo of missiles destroy anti-ship capabilities they are rather useless.

If the United States Navy is either unwilling or unable to conceptualize a carrier air wing that can fight on the first day of a high-end conflict, then the question becomes: Why should the American taxpayer shell out $13 billion for a Ford-class carrier?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... raft-17240

As I've argued before, why the hell do we even need a Navy, aside from boomer subs?

yeah, you've argued that, and had your ass handed to you. looks like you're ready for another.

[Okeefenokee]

As I've argued before, why the hell do we even need a Navy, aside from boomer subs?

Can't launch fighter jets from subs.

I love it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

My understanding of advanced naval warfare is that surface vessels are simply targets while anti-ship defenses are operational. Until 1st salvo of missiles destroy anti-ship capabilities they are rather useless.

If the United States Navy is either unwilling or unable to conceptualize a carrier air wing that can fight on the first day of a high-end conflict, then the question becomes: Why should the American taxpayer shell out $13 billion for a Ford-class carrier?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... raft-17240

As I've argued before, why the hell do we even need a Navy, aside from boomer subs?

yeah, you've argued that, and had your ass handed to you. looks like you're ready for another.

My ass is still firmly in place, having received no coherent reason that we need a goddamn Navy, other than the boomers - which I reluctantly conceded.