And another one bites the dust...

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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:50 pm

C-Mag wrote: plus Smitty can kick his ass.
You could too, bro, bronchial stun to the neck, and down he goes, lights out. Doesn't even require much force. In the Marine Corps they call it the "neck chop knock out" or just "knife hands".

I've had it done to me, you don't even remember what happened, you just wake up in a pool of your own drool, totally KO'd.

It's a go to move with the police too, so be advised, that's one of their main defensive tactics, when they go to put you down, they come to the neck with the forearm as they do, that's s.o.p.

People end up on their asses and they can't understand how the cop took them down so easily; it's the neck chop, so watch out for it.

The beauty of it is, people see your shoulder move, so they put their guard up, to protect their face from a punch, they're not expecting to get knocked out by a tap to the side of the neck, so unless they're CQC trained, most people just walk right into it and have no idea what hit them. frankly, even if you are CQC trained, if the guy is fast, it's very hard to defend against, because you're going to protect you face, instinctively, which just opens the neck up to the strike.

If the guy is big, and you don't want to get into a slugfest with him, go to the neck chop, coup de main, fait accompli, end the fight before it even starts.

I was skeptical, that's why I volunteered to be the guinea pig for a demonstration, but after getting knocked the fuck out by it, I was a believer, then I started taking people out left and right with that move.
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:52 am

The neck is a vulnerable spot. The baddest ass on the planet, and a good shot to the throat and they are on a total defensive.

The Rock is an impressive specimen, but his metal has never really been tested(that I know of). He's still just a Hollywood hero. You take most any CMH or VC medal award winner and you find one thing in common typically. People that don't quit. Many of them soak up wounds, often fatal and keep going. Paul Smith, was a pretty average Buck Seventy Five, but I take him over any 10 Hollywood heroes.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:56 am

It's not a throat shot, throat shot is a kill shot, but because the throat is in the center, the throat is very hard to get at, once the guy has his guard up, that's the trick to the bronchial stun, it's not on the throat, the shot is to the side of the neck, which, very hard to defend against, when their guard is up for a face punch, and, it's not inherently lethal, which, again, is why the cops always go to that move.

You're not crushing the guy's windpipe, it's a pressure point knock out. Big strong guy like the Rock, yeah, he will be able to protect his throat, but that's the very thing that will open him up to be taken down by the neck chop from the flank.
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:11 am

Yeah, that's part of the Fairbain system right. I think the Sykes Fairbain system of fighting is by fair responsible for more kills in combat than any hand to hand martial arts system devised.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:14 am

C-Mag wrote:Yeah, that's part of the Fairbain system right. I think the Sykes Fairbain system of fighting is by fair responsible for more kills in combat than any hand to hand martial arts system devised.
Yeah, WWII Combatives, it's an oldie but a goodie, you feint to the middle, the guy pulls his guard in to defend, and then then it's Judo Chop from the flank, and good night, nurse.

Like I say, it sounded kinda silly to me, until that is, it dropped me like a stone, nothing convinces you that something works, like being knocked clean out buy it and not even remembering what happened. Wasn't even that hard, I didn't even have a bruise, but I was out, totally KO'd, and not just for a second or two, like, for several minutes after.
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:22 am

US Combatives left the Fairbain - Sykes school long ago, it's a shame, really effective shit. Elements are still taught, and JSOC troops get it. Standard troop combatives went all MMA-Gracie ground work. It's good stuff, but the same.

Fairbain-Sykes was a put down your opponent quickly program, often with permanent damage. But hey, I'm sure the streets of Shangai were tough as it came back in the 30s
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:29 am

I've never taken an American UAC course, but the UAC course in Canada is one of the few things they have never watered down, I mean, it's a great course, but holee shit is it ever a beat down, be prepared for pain, I was expecting it to be rough, but it was pretty fuckin' crazy actually, we beat the living shit out of each other, and nobody called a halt to it, I was surprised how extreme it actually turned out to be, even having been forewarned that it was going to be a harsh realm.

You expect a military course to be challenging, but it was like the Kumite, you walk in on the first day and see the UAC instructors, and you are like "uh-oh, these guys look pretty fucking serious, I don't know about ya'll, but I'm getting kinda nervous here, this shit is fuckin cray-cray..." People were getting knocked the fuck out, left and right, and the Instructors were just like "do you need the medic? No? Then suck it up and get back to work.."
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:44 am

Smitty-48 wrote:I've never taken an American UAC course, but the UAC course in Canada is one of the few things they have never watered down, I mean, it's a great course, but holee shit is it ever a beat down, be prepared for pain, I was expecting it to be rough, but it was pretty fuckin' crazy actually, we beat the living shit out of each other, and nobody called a halt to it, I was surprised how extreme it actually turned out to be, even having been forewarned that it was going to be a harsh realm.
The American course is physically demanding as well, but it's more like hard wrestling and basic MMA skills. There are 5 levels in the course. The average Soldier won't go past level 2. That's as far as I've been. They don't teach any strikes or blows until Level 3. I understand Level 4 and 5 get pretty damn serious.

I did actually get into a bar fight once and the Arm Bar throw just happened. It was all reaction, probably surprised me as much as the dope on the ground. I have to say, it was pretty damn awesome after the blood cooled and I had a chance to think about it.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:47 am

Even the medics on the UAC course were harsh, usually medics are overly cautious, but not these ones, no matter what you were moaning about, they were like "ah, you're fine, get back in there, don't be a pussy..."

Only one guy on the course got evaced; because he had a compound fracture. You want out of here? Compound fracture, or quit your whining. It was a bad fracture too, like blood all over the mat, but they were just like 'whatever, he's outta here, next man, stand up hook up, en guarde..."

It was kind of like SERE, where they know they are good to go in terms of pushing the envelope, and so they pushed it to the limit, and just when you thought it had gotten about as rough as it could be, they ramped it up some more. And in the morning, you still haven't recovered from the day before, but no mercy, they hit you with the hardcore PT without respite, talk about sore, I could use a Tylenol right now, just from thinking about it.
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