THE ERA OF TRUMP

[StCapps]

Our beloved politicians, and their masters, want illegal immigration to continue. Trump's pseudo job creating wall building is much more politically feasible.

Exactly. Trump's plan is an easier pitch to the uninformed than Kath's and is hence much more politically feasible. Of the politically feasible border security plans, Trump's is much better than Hillary's, even if he blows $20 billion that Hillary wouldn't have.

[jbird4049]

If we could unite on anything a wall wouldn't be necessary at all. These fucking Mexicans are looking at Trump and Hilary like "yeah ok whatever you crazy gringos."

Perhaps. It's the Central Americans we have to worry about because how back it is there. However, if Mexico collapses because of its troubles, that would change.

Then again, if the Second Great Depression, or a Second Civil War, hits us, we wouldn't have an immigration problem to speak of.

That's actually where a border wall comes in handy.

I should clarify that as a Texan, Mexicans are seldom the problem. The problem is that my state is a relief valve for all of Mexico's immigrants that they don't want/can't sustain.

Look. Texicans fought along side of us for our war of independence it's true. They are just as much Texan as my son is. The problem is that some people construe this to mean this is the dumping ground for all the squatamalens of the world and that's simply untrue. Nobody wanted them, why am I surrounded by them? Fuck Mexico, they will pay for a mother fucking wall or I swear to god we will destroy them for their crimes against Texas.

Our country is that way for much of the Americas' elites. Screw almost everyone other than themselves, kill all those who fight back, and let the survivors leave.

[StCapps]

We have plenty of threat at the border, and we're a much smaller population, so the effects are much greater in relation to that, we have illegals flowing in, we have weapons being smuggled in, we have a huge amount of drugs flowing in, and a huge amount of that just walks across the border, there's almost nothing in its way at all, the Mounties have like one helicopter for every thousand miles of border, our border is not secured in any way for all intents and purposes, and yet you said you believe concrete walls are effective, but now you don't have the courage of that conviction?

You do not argue in good faith. The US has bigger issues with illegal immigration than we do, by a long shot. I never said we don't have issues, but they are clearly far smaller in scope, and playing semantic games does not change that. This has nothing to do with the courage of my convictions this has to do with you being a disingenuous asshat. Comparing apples and oranges and pretending the logic that applies on the US-Mexico border applies equally on our border, seriously dude wtf?

[TheReal_ND]

Perhaps. It's the Central Americans we have to worry about because how back it is there. However, if Mexico collapses because of its troubles, that would change.

Then again, if the Second Great Depression, or a Second Civil War, hits us, we wouldn't have an immigration problem to speak of.

That's actually where a border wall comes in handy.

I should clarify that as a Texan, Mexicans are seldom the problem. The problem is that my state is a relief valve for all of Mexico's immigrants that they don't want/can't sustain.

Look. Texicans fought along side of us for our war of independence it's true. They are just as much Texan as my son is. The problem is that some people construe this to mean this is the dumping ground for all the squatamalens of the world and that's simply untrue. Nobody wanted them, why am I surrounded by them? Fuck Mexico, they will pay for a mother fucking wall or I swear to god we will destroy them for their crimes against Texas.

Our country is that way for much of the Americas' elites. Screw almost everyone other than themselves, kill all those who fight back, and let the survivors leave.

See. We don't have that many differences ameribro. Now if we could hammer out a few other details... we could get along.

[StCapps]

You are yapping away about nonsense. Capps... perhaps you've forgotten, the Ds are no longer in charge. Who cares what they want to pass? Face the reality that this is not the option because NOBODY IN POWER wants to fix this problem. This is a $20 billion piece of red meat for the masses. Idiotic,''

Trump can't pass a plan congress doesn't want to pass. Getting pissed at him for not passing a plan that you admit is politically infeasible is asinine.

[Smitty-48]

We have plenty of threat at the border, and we're a much smaller population, so the effects are much greater in relation to that, we have illegals flowing in, we have weapons being smuggled in, we have a huge amount of drugs flowing in, and a huge amount of that just walks across the border, there's almost nothing in its way at all, the Mounties have like one helicopter for every thousand miles of border, our border is not secured in any way for all intents and purposes, and yet you said you believe concrete walls are effective, but now you don't have the courage of that conviction?

You do not argue in good faith. The US has bigger issues with illegal immigration than we do, by a long shot. I never said we don't have issues, but they are clearly far smaller in scope, and playing semantic games does not change that. This has nothing to do with the courage of my convictions this has to do with you being a disingenuous asshat.

What's disingenous? The Americans have a problem, we have the same problem on a smaller scale, but we're a smaller country which would be more vulnerable to the effects, if the Americans have an "effective" solution, why wouldn't we adopt their "best practices"?

[StCapps]

What's disengenous? The Americans have a problem, we have the same problem on a smaller scale, but we're a smaller country which would be more vulnerable to the effects, if the Americans have an "effective" solution, why wouldn't we adopt their "best practices"?

We should adopt best practices, but that doesn't mean spending 10x the money on a border wall than the US does on it's southern border, obviously. We could spend considerably less given the smaller scale of our problem. Duh.

[Smitty-48]

What's disengenous? The Americans have a problem, we have the same problem on a smaller scale, but we're a smaller country which would be more vulnerable to the effects, if the Americans have an "effective" solution, why wouldn't we adopt their "best practices"?

We should adopt best practices, but that doesn't mean spending 10x the money on it that they do, obviously. We could spend considerably less given the smaller scale of our problem. Duh.

So we should build a wall the same size as theirs, for the much longer Canadian border? Where would you put it?

[K@th]

Trump can't pass a plan congress doesn't want to pass. Getting pissed at him for not passing a plan that you admit is politically infeasible is asinine.

OMFG. Really? You really think it's a great idea to spend BILLIONS on an ineffective solution when the ACTUAL solution to this problem could be done for a million or less?

Wow. That's stunning and very telling.

Quit talking about what the Ds want. The REPUBLICANS are in charge now. They can pass any old thing they want. They don't want to stop it. You KNOW DAMNED WELL they don't want to stop it. So, why are we spending BILLIONS! on a solution that they know won't fix the problem.

Fucking. Insanity. I cannot believe what I'm reading.

It's super expensive, but at least it's really ineffective. Do you manage your own budgets this way? Well, service provider A is faster, better, cheaper.... so I'm going with B. They are less reliable but at least they cost more!

[StCapps]

So we should build a wall the same size as theirs, for the much longer Canadian border? Where would you put it?

Why do need a wall the same size as theirs? The scale of our problem is smaller, therefore our wall doesn't need to be as long. I don't know where I'd put it, but if you had to build a border wall where would you put it? You probably have a better idea than me in what spots a wall would theoretically work better than fence or where a wall would work better in tandem with a fence than just having fencing alone. The question then becomes is it worth the expense to put up the wall in that area for the benefit it provides? If yes, put up a wall, if no, don't put up a wall.