THE ERA OF TRUMP

[K@th]

I don't see any other way than building a concrete monumen

What's wrong with my plan? Is it too cheap or too effective for you?

[Smitty-48]

$20 billion+ concrete wall to nowhere = White Elephant Lash.

Even if a wall isn't the best use of border security funds, I'm not buying that it won't improve security even if there isn't much bang for the buck. I'm all for spending it on more effective measures, but a wall isn't useless or obsolete like some here are suggesting. Taking issue with use of funds is one things, objecting to the concept of a wall across any portion of the border is something else entirely. If you don't want to blow $20 billion on it, I don't blame you, but a wall on a border can have it's uses.

The equivalent would be the Canadian Government spending $200 billion on a concrete wall that only covered a small portion of the border; you'd be in favour of that, Mr. Tory?

[StCapps]

I don't see any other way than building a concrete monumen

What's wrong with my plan? Is it too cheap or too effective for you?

Nothing is wrong with your plan. It does lack the visual anchor of a wall and is a harder plan to pitch to masses, but it's certainly cheap and effective. It's just harder to sell because it a wall is a physical object that can be easily visualized and employers checking SSN's in compliance with the law is a lot harder to visualize. Hence the genius of Trump's pitch to his base.

[TheReal_ND]

I don't see any other way than building a concrete monumen

What's wrong with my plan? Is it too cheap or too effective for you?

Your plan is top notch don't get me wrong. I just don't see a way of getting there. Nobody in America agrees on shit. Half of us want to import the entire world.

Wall. Now deal with it.

Point to wall. That's why we have these policies you open borders traitor.

[StCapps]

$20 billion+ concrete wall to nowhere = White Elephant Lash.

Even if a wall isn't the best use of border security funds, I'm not buying that it won't improve security even if there isn't much bang for the buck. I'm all for spending it on more effective measures, but a wall isn't useless or obsolete like some here are suggesting. Taking issue with use of funds is one things, objecting to the concept of a wall across any portion of the border is something else entirely. If you don't want to blow $20 billion on it, I don't blame you, but a wall on a border can have it's uses.

The equivalent would be the Canadian Government spending $200 billion on a concrete wall that only covered a small portion of the border; you'd be in favour of that, Mr. Tory?

Why would we pay 10x more for a border wall when we don't have anywhere near the issue with border security? That makes no sense, how is that the equivalent? We don't have giant issues with drug cartels operating across our borders, decapitating folks and such. Sounds like you are just trying to rig the analogy deck to make the wall seem like worse of an idea than it actually is.

[Smitty-48]

Even if a wall isn't the best use of border security funds, I'm not buying that it won't improve security even if there isn't much bang for the buck. I'm all for spending it on more effective measures, but a wall isn't useless or obsolete like some here are suggesting. Taking issue with use of funds is one things, objecting to the concept of a wall across any portion of the border is something else entirely. If you don't want to blow $20 billion on it, I don't blame you, but a wall on a border can have it's uses.

The equivalent would be the Canadian Government spending $200 billion on a concrete wall that only covered a small portion of the border; you'd be in favour of that, Mr. Tory?

Why would we pay 10x more for a border wall when we don't have anywhere near the issue with border security? That makes no sense.

You invoked "security effectiveness", obviously, to get the same supposed security effect the Americans are going to get from their partial wall, our partial wall would have to be much longer, you'd have to do as they are going to do, pick a portion of the border to put a wall on, but to get the same supposed security effectiveness, ours would obviously have to be much longer, say, Windsor to Quebec City for example.

[jbird4049]

I don't see any other way than building a concrete monumen

What's wrong with my plan? Is it too cheap or too effective for you?

There maybe some problems, but really, cheap and effective, and it actually might caused the monied interests some money?

Why we just cannot have that.

That's Socialism! And unAmerican!

[TheReal_ND]

Partial walls are fine for funneling traffic. You need the resolve to stop the traffic though. You Canadians clearly have that resolve when it comes to stopping American immigrants. So much so, you don't even need a wall. For Americans it's a little different with Latinos. Some of us fucking love Mexican food so much or something. The others are either Latinos or want to bang one.

[StCapps]

You invoked "security effectiveness", obviously, to get the same supposed security effect the Americans are going to get from their partial wall, our partial wall would have to be much longer, you'd have to do as they are going to do, pick a portion of the border to put a wall on, but to get the same supposed security effectiveness, ours would obviously have to be much longer, say, Windsor to Quebec City for example.

Our border is already far safer than theirs. We don't need that level of security, they need more than they currently have due to ongoing border issues. Therefore paying for a wall makes way less sense in our case for obvious reasons and makes way more sense in their case for obvious reasons.

Stop trolling me with this shit, if you are going to shit on the wall, do it properly. Don't try and pass off this weak sauce, it bores me.

[jbird4049]

I don't see any other way than building a concrete monumen

What's wrong with my plan? Is it too cheap or too effective for you?

Your plan is top notch don't get me wrong. I just don't see a way of getting there. Nobody in America agrees on shit. Half of us want to import the entire world.

Wall. Now deal with it.

Point to wall. That's why we have these policies you open borders traitor.

We cannot have good, so let's have bad, because it's better than nothing?

I still think a wall is nutty, but that's a fair point.