THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Penner]

I like how you pretend that a wall will fix security

I like how you pretend that physical barriers don't do anything. You're not sitting out in the middle of a field right now. You're surrounded by walls, and doors with locks. Why'd you waste your money? Don't you know they don't do anything?

That's facile.

Most homes, and cars, are robbed because they are unlocked, but one just has to be more difficult to rob than the other guy. For a thief, there are always another car, or house, to rob.

Many of the illegal immigrants, especially from Central America, come because they really don't have a choice. Mexico would be an improvement, but Central America, and Mexico, have a hate/hate relationship.Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, have the some of the highest crime rates (murder, rape, robberies, violence) on the planet. Unemployment is beyond high, the corruption is worse, and there a swaths of the countries where the government can't go.

Thousands of men, women. and too many children, from Central America, every year are picked off as they ride on top of freight trains, then, if they are lucky, ride rickety buses upto the American Border, where the coyotes, or monsters masquerading as humans, "guide" them in small groups across the border. They often travel through the desert, often with little, or no water, or food, or adequate clothing. Often for a walk that may take several days. Where at the end, if they are lucky, they will be packed into van, or a truck, or a large container, and driven to whatever location job/family/friends/random spot in the States.

So hundreds, maybe now thousands die, or or injured, due to civil unrest/war going in Mexico, falling off trains, random rape, and robbery, because almost everyone will be robbed and/raped, or lost in the desert enslavement for farms/factories/brothels by whatever person with a gun stops them which includes, but is not limited to the random criminal gangs,narco-terrorists, the army, and the police.

So yes, unless we are talking like the East/West German borders of the Cold War complete with multiple lines each of barbed wire, walls, minefields, watchtowers, and guys with machine guns with orders to kill on sight, our new wall will fail.

The Berlin Wall was, IMO, also a failure because even then people found ways to get to the other side.

[The Conservative]

sigh. It's about leading the whole country. I agree that if his goal is to completely alienate half the country, he's doing a spectacular job. Seriously; many of my closest friends were willing to give him a fair shot, but this kind of petulant behavior is obnoxious. Even some of the peeps who were #neverhillary
are getting annoyed by this childish behavior.

I'm glad you think it's charming, but you're Canadian, so you don't have to live under a child's leadership.

I'm not going to get into with you about my loony lefty friends... I stopped following 2 of them on FB because they are also behaving like spoiled children. He screams, they scream... everybody is screaming all the time, now.

I stopped following and had to block them because I they were harassing me for not agreeing with the women's march...

Some people truly don't need a reason to bitch to be one.

I have no idea why any of you bother with that site. Facebook is fucking kid's table of politics.

Trust me, I know... but I only deal with it because my blog is taking off there. Last story I had was hit by over 1400 individual people, all organic.

So... I deal with children because it allows me to get noticed.

[TheReal_ND]

Is there a monetary angle involved? I like money.

[C-Mag]

I like how you pretend that a wall will fix security

I like how you pretend that physical barriers don't do anything. You're not sitting out in the middle of a field right now. You're surrounded by walls, and doors with locks. Why'd you waste your money? Don't you know they don't do anything?

That's facile.

Most homes, and cars, are robbed because they are unlocked, but one just has to be more difficult to rob than the other guy. For a thief, there are always another car, or house, to rob.

Many of the illegal immigrants, especially from Central America, come because they really don't have a choice. Mexico would be an improvement, but Central America, and Mexico, have a hate/hate relationship.Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, have the some of the highest crime rates (murder, rape, robberies, violence) on the planet. Unemployment is beyond high, the corruption is worse, and there a swaths of the countries where the government can't go.

Thousands of men, women. and too many children, from Central America, every year are picked off as they ride on top of freight trains, then, if they are lucky, ride rickety buses upto the American Border, where the coyotes, or monsters masquerading as humans, "guide" them in small groups across the border. They often travel through the desert, often with little, or no water, or food, or adequate clothing. Often for a walk that may take several days. Where at the end, if they are lucky, they will be packed into van, or a truck, or a large container, and driven to whatever location job/family/friends/random spot in the States.

So hundreds, maybe now thousands die, or or injured, due to civil unrest/war going in Mexico, falling off trains, random rape, and robbery, because almost everyone will be robbed and/raped, or lost in the desert enslavement for farms/factories/brothels by whatever person with a gun stops them which includes, but is not limited to the random criminal gangs,narco-terrorists, the army, and the police.

So yes, unless we are talking like the East/West German borders of the Cold War complete with multiple lines each of barbed wire, walls, minefields, watchtowers, and guys with machine guns with orders to kill on sight, our new wall will fail.

+1 Good Post

Mexican and Central American overlords use the US as a safety valve. While I'm sympathetic to the plight of Latin America, it's not America's responsibility to fix it. Our leaders in Washington are willing to use illegal immigrants for their own devices with little more care for them than the overlords of their homeland. By doing this we stifle these peoples own cultures as some of the most determined people who want to make a better life for their families end up here instead of improving their own countries.

[TheReal_ND]

Our leaders in Washington are willing to use illegal immigrants for their own devices with little more care for them than the overlords of their homeland. By doing this we stifle these peoples own cultures

So what you're saying is that it's ok for people to not like their culture being stifled?

[C-Mag]

Our leaders in Washington are willing to use illegal immigrants for their own devices with little more care for them than the overlords of their homeland. By doing this we stifle these peoples own cultures

So what you're saying is that it's ok for people to not like their culture being stifled?

I'm for self determination of nations and cultures. I prefer that nations do not invade others as part of that determination.

My point is, what does Mexico look like today if we keep in place the rigid immigration rules that say FDR had in place in the 30s and 40s. Is Mexico able to or forced to establish their own economy strong enough fully support their nation, does Mexico find a way to control their own population explosion ? Perhaps Mexico be more of an ally like Canada ?

[K@th]

You guys baffle me, sometimes. There are better ways to nearly eliminate illegal immigration. Make it illegal for employers to hire illegal aliens. Period.

Cost? A few thousand dollars to create a searchable database view of SSNs to validate citizenship (or work visas) and throw it up at whatever.gov.

Done. Illegals start drying up while businesses add to the revenue stream by paying large fines for breaking the law.

A 20 billion dollar boondoggle merely helps a part of the problem, and not completely. The cost per person kept out is going to be ridiculous.

Why do you guys hate saving money?

[C-Mag]

You guys baffle me, sometimes. There are better ways to nearly eliminate illegal immigration. Make it illegal for employers to hire illegal aliens. Period.

Cost? A few thousand dollars to create a searchable database view of SSNs to validate citizenship (or work visas) and throw it up at whatever.gov.

Done. Illegals start drying up while businesses add to the revenue stream by paying large fines for breaking the law.

A 20 billion dollar boondoggle merely helps a part of the problem, and not completely. The cost per person kept out is going to be ridiculous.

Why do you guys hate saving money?

I have philosophical problem with what appears at first glance to be common sense. Controlling the countries borders and immigration is inherently a government responsibility. Private citizens should not be forced to do the work and incur the costs of an inherently government function.

If we are going to put this responsibility on the private citizens, allow them handle like that want. If that means armed militias patrolling the border fine. But that's is revolting to central planners as well.

The best policy is to remove the incentives for illegal immigration or for life to be good enough in their home countries that they don't want to risk the journey.

[TheReal_ND]

Our leaders in Washington are willing to use illegal immigrants for their own devices with little more care for them than the overlords of their homeland. By doing this we stifle these peoples own cultures

So what you're saying is that it's ok for people to not like their culture being stifled?

I'm for self determination of nations and cultures. I prefer that nations do not invade others as part of that determination.

My point is, what does Mexico look like today if we keep in place the rigid immigration rules that say FDR had in place in the 30s and 40s. Is Mexico able to or forced to establish their own economy strong enough fully support their nation, does Mexico find a way to control their own population explosion ? Perhaps Mexico be more of an ally like Canada ?

The upper caste likely wouldn't have fled when their socialist Liberation Party nationalized their industry (oil is still nationalized and they can't refine shit, oh and their Liberation Party has been in power ever since,) and they would likely look better. We have leftists on both side of the border Fucking everyone over tbh.

[jbird4049]

It's our contention that you clearly hate the Republicans more than Democrats, and you have an anti-Trump bias that is no way cancelled out by having an anti-Hillary bias as well.

Yes. Because they think they have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. That's my bigliest deal breaker in terms of where they differ. My super bigliest issue is the 4th amendment/privacy/porn-o-matics at the airport... stuff like that. The two parties are very closely aligned on that. So the controlling my body thing is a biggy.

There is this thing called nuance, and there is a point were nuances do not matter.

Both parties are corrupt, lying, back stabbing, political whorish weasels, but yes, personally I think the Democratic Party is the slightly lesser evil, if for no other reason than some actually expect the government to function, are willing to throw some bread crust to their inferiors, and are not as divorced from reality as the Republican Party.

However, here is were nuance means not much. I'm being offered the choice between Ebola, or the Black Death, or maybe Malaria. Some would say, but yes, malaria is less likely to kill you, you will just suffer on and off for years. However Ebola, and the Black death are more likely to kill you, but you recover in months, instead of decades with Malaria.

Who cares? All will still kill you horribly, or make you wish you were dead.

That is what these parties are to me.