Our Guy Flynn

[SuburbanFarmer]

Here is a great article on all this Flynn stuff, the Deep State and FISA Courts.
http://reason.com/archives/2017/02/23/r ... deep-state

The chickens have come home to roost. In our misguided efforts to keep the country safe, we have neglected to keep it free. We have enabled a deep state to become powerful enough to control a powerful president. We have placed so much data and so much power in the hands of unelected, unaccountable, opaque spies that they can use it as they see fit — even to the point of committing federal felonies. Now some have boasted that they can manipulate and thus control the president of the United States by selectively revealing and concealing what they know about anyone, including the president himself.

This is a perilous state of affairs, brought about by the maniacal passion for surveillance spawned under George W. Bush and perfected under Barack Obama — all with utter indifference to the widespread constitutional violations and permanent destruction of personal liberties.

This is not the government the Framers gave us. But it is one far more dangerous to human freedom than the one from which they seceded in 1776.

Not good.

[ssu]

Here is a great article on all this Flynn stuff, the Deep State and FISA Courts.
http://reason.com/archives/2017/02/23/r ... deep-state

The chickens have come home to roost. In our misguided efforts to keep the country safe, we have neglected to keep it free. We have enabled a deep state to become powerful enough to control a powerful president. We have placed so much data and so much power in the hands of unelected, unaccountable, opaque spies that they can use it as they see fit — even to the point of committing federal felonies. Now some have boasted that they can manipulate and thus control the president of the United States by selectively revealing and concealing what they know about anyone, including the president himself.

This is a perilous state of affairs, brought about by the maniacal passion for surveillance spawned under George W. Bush and perfected under Barack Obama — all with utter indifference to the widespread constitutional violations and permanent destruction of personal liberties.

This is not the government the Framers gave us. But it is one far more dangerous to human freedom than the one from which they seceded in 1776.

Not good.

The article just shows how deep the political division has gone and how everything is looked on. Everything is politisized on the left/right axis and pro- or anti-Hillary axis, that is. Hence if it's Hillary and it's the FBI looking into her actions, all hail to the government looking into that! If it's Trump, it's a giant evil conspiracy! Or the other way around, if you are a democrat.

Everything is just a political point used in the Right/Left strife. Doesn't matter at all if the Russian have influenced the system and there was collusion between Trump's inner circle with Russia. Doesn't matter at all. At least to the Trump supporters.

Russians can be happy. The US administration will continue to be a mess.

Likely the whole thing won't go away. Especially if in the midterms democrats win (that's an if, because they are so stupid that they can also lose).

[boethius]

Emperor Putin, of the North American Provenance of the Russian Federation, would allow us plebs more freedom than the current deep state does.

[Speaker to Animals]

Emperor Putin, of the North American Provenance of the Russian Federation, would allow us plebs more freedom than the current deep state does.

Well, yeah. We could sign up as Cossack police and beat feminist and SJW agitators with whips.

[Okeefenokee]

Emperor Putin, of the North American Provenance of the Russian Federation, would allow us plebs more freedom than the current deep state does.

Well, yeah. We could sign up as Cossack police and beat feminist and SJW agitators with whips.

Fuck yeah.

[Speaker to Animals]

[kybkh]

This salt will never dissolve.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... ynn-story/


Why would these leakers do it? The investigation of Flynn was initiated by high-level Obama officials who had access to tightly controlled and normally inaccessible information. “Obama advisers” were reportedly working directly with the FBI to investigate Flynn. Many of those advisers and other high officials had lost much in the electoral outcome and some might certainly have been seeking payback, while the lame-duck White House could have been looking for ways to preemptively weaken the incoming administration.

The FBI or NSA would have been recording the conversations of the Russian ambassador as a legitimate exercise of their authority, but the normal procedure involving inadvertent intercept of a soon-to-be high-ranking American would be to redact that part of the conversation or otherwise “minimize” it to conceal his or her identity. Leaking the classified information thus obtained to the media portraying Flynn, and by extension Trump, in a bad light would require reconstruction of the original documents and might be risky to carry out. Even if the enterprise could be seen as a good move politically if one were a Democrat, it would not pay to do it too directly, as someone might eventually backtrack and find out the source.

That being so, it might not be too preposterous to consider discreetly asking the Brits what they might have in a folder somewhere on calls and other contacts made by Flynn. As Flynn was known to be in touch with senior government officials all over the world, GCHQ might well have content or corroboration that NSA could have missed. Pull together enough “foreign sourced” stuff that way, imply something possibly untoward about all of it, send it on over to the CIA liaison, and you have a prima facie case that would satisfy the admittedly willing-to-be-convinced Obama Justice Department that Flynn might be up to something that could potentially damage national security.

[ssu]

Honeymoon with the Russophile appeasers in the Trump administration and Russia might start to be over, as Trump has tweeted that Russia took Crimea from Ukraine. Nowdays the Trump administration is very carefull on showing warm ties to Russia: the bullshit appeasement peace proposal is frantically denied to have landed on Flynn's table through Trump's personal lawyer. That idiotic peace purposal (to give Crimea for 50 or 100 years for rent in turn of lifting sanctions) was rejected even by the Russians, btw. Now the Trump administration is starting to sound like a normal US administration, like just last Sunday:

The United States called on Russia Sunday to "immediately" observe the ceasefire in Ukraine, accusing combined Russian and separatist forces of targeting international monitors.

"We call on Russia and the separatist forces it backs to immediately observe the ceasefire, withdraw all heavy weapons, and allow full and unfettered access to the OSCE monitors," the State Department said.

See here

And anyway, problematic Flynn has been replaced by a far better general in every way (of course, that doesn't mean it will go well with Trump).

I guess there's not many generals that have been sacked By both a democrat administration and a republican administration, are there?

[C-Mag]

More Deep State stuff, totally unrelated to Flynn.


ATF set up and ran secret bank accounts filled confiscated money outside of the US Budget and Congress
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/us/a ... .html?_r=0

Which begs a couple questions,
Why aren't people in jail already ?
This is embezzlement of Federal Funds. You do that as a private citizen, your going to Federal Pound me in the Ass Prison.

How many agencies are doing stuff like this ?

[kybkh]

There is one person that could have answered that question and done something about it. No need to worry about him anymore.