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TheReal_ND
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by TheReal_ND » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:58 am
The Conservative wrote:Open trade demands a level of trust, in the US that means free reign to our market, which also gives access to our infrastructure and other entities that regretfully tie into our network overall. Giving trade access, especially internally. Once they get into the US to do trade, they have bypassed our firewall, and can hack/utilize our weakened infrastructure to send viruses and other hacking tools loose. This is why our infrastructure has been hacked how many times already? Or have been shown to have been hacked by foreign entities? This doesn't happen from the outside of our firewall, this happens because sometime in the past one of our "allies" came into our country and set the seeds for this to happen...
Web 2.0, it isn't perfect, but it allows for greater security by utilizing IPv6, it still has severe limitations because people are designing it be an upgraded version of the original Web, which means free access to all data. This is still going to be a problem overall, but thankfully they have designed this version to be more "upgradeable" if it makes any sense. We can add security to it's base layer as it becomes available. Will it protect us entirely, hell no... but it's a lot better than the original web... which was designed with no real security in mind.
As for the FBI/CIA/NSA/DHD can't handle... they can't comprehend the size of the internet, they could hire 10,000 people each and not even cover 1% of the web for security. 95% of the internet is not searchable by ordinary means, that means the hundreds of thousands of petabytes of data that we see, makes the iceberg that took down the Titanic seem like a kiddy toy.
There is a reason the government and its entities utilize technology to do the work for them. They search for keywords and statements combined to look for possible threats outside of the US attempting to get in.
If the US were serious about keeping everything humming and safe, our computers, our infrastructure, and all those who come in from outside would be void of malware, viruses, and technology that could potentially harm us. Especially those that deal in trade.
We won't, so we are always going to be susceptible to attacks, and they will originate from within because we as a country want to trust too quickly...to win the "hearts and minds" of the world.... and in doing so, we are going to implode. it is just a matter of time, unless we secure the way we do trade, and allow data in and out of this coutry.
There is a reason why China has a "Great Firewall"...
Interesting read.
Isn't it true that all Russian ISP's use dynamic IP's?
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Mercury
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by Mercury » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:03 am
The Conservative wrote:Open trade demands a level of trust, in the US that means free reign to our market, which also gives access to our infrastructure and other entities that regretfully tie into our network overall. Giving trade access, especially internally. Once they get into the US to do trade, they have bypassed our firewall, and can hack/utilize our weakened infrastructure to send viruses and other hacking tools loose. This is why our infrastructure has been hacked how many times already? Or have been shown to have been hacked by foreign entities? This doesn't happen from the outside of our firewall, this happens because sometime in the past one of our "allies" came into our country and set the seeds for this to happen...
Web 2.0, it isn't perfect, but it allows for greater security by utilizing IPv6, it still has severe limitations because people are designing it be an upgraded version of the original Web, which means free access to all data. This is still going to be a problem overall, but thankfully they have designed this version to be more "upgradeable" if it makes any sense. We can add security to it's base layer as it becomes available. Will it protect us entirely, hell no... but it's a lot better than the original web... which was designed with no real security in mind.
As for the FBI/CIA/NSA/DHD can't handle... they can't comprehend the size of the internet, they could hire 10,000 people each and not even cover 1% of the web for security. 95% of the internet is not searchable by ordinary means, that means the hundreds of thousands of petabytes of data that we see, makes the iceberg that took down the Titanic seem like a kiddy toy.
There is a reason the government and its entities utilize technology to do the work for them. They search for keywords and statements combined to look for possible threats outside of the US attempting to get in.
If the US were serious about keeping everything humming and safe, our computers, our infrastructure, and all those who come in from outside would be void of malware, viruses, and technology that could potentially harm us. Especially those that deal in trade.
We won't, so we are always going to be susceptible to attacks, and they will originate from within because we as a country want to trust too quickly...to win the "hearts and minds" of the world.... and in doing so, we are going to implode. it is just a matter of time, unless we secure the way we do trade, and allow data in and out of this coutry.
There is a reason why China has a "Great Firewall"...
Are you speaking figuratively?
There is no firewall. It's just a bunch of wires and servers.
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The Conservative
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by The Conservative » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:11 am
Mercury wrote:The Conservative wrote:Open trade demands a level of trust, in the US that means free reign to our market, which also gives access to our infrastructure and other entities that regretfully tie into our network overall. Giving trade access, especially internally. Once they get into the US to do trade, they have bypassed our firewall, and can hack/utilize our weakened infrastructure to send viruses and other hacking tools loose. This is why our infrastructure has been hacked how many times already? Or have been shown to have been hacked by foreign entities? This doesn't happen from the outside of our firewall, this happens because sometime in the past one of our "allies" came into our country and set the seeds for this to happen...
Web 2.0, it isn't perfect, but it allows for greater security by utilizing IPv6, it still has severe limitations because people are designing it be an upgraded version of the original Web, which means free access to all data. This is still going to be a problem overall, but thankfully they have designed this version to be more "upgradeable" if it makes any sense. We can add security to it's base layer as it becomes available. Will it protect us entirely, hell no... but it's a lot better than the original web... which was designed with no real security in mind.
As for the FBI/CIA/NSA/DHD can't handle... they can't comprehend the size of the internet, they could hire 10,000 people each and not even cover 1% of the web for security. 95% of the internet is not searchable by ordinary means, that means the hundreds of thousands of petabytes of data that we see, makes the iceberg that took down the Titanic seem like a kiddy toy.
There is a reason the government and its entities utilize technology to do the work for them. They search for keywords and statements combined to look for possible threats outside of the US attempting to get in.
If the US were serious about keeping everything humming and safe, our computers, our infrastructure, and all those who come in from outside would be void of malware, viruses, and technology that could potentially harm us. Especially those that deal in trade.
We won't, so we are always going to be susceptible to attacks, and they will originate from within because we as a country want to trust too quickly...to win the "hearts and minds" of the world.... and in doing so, we are going to implode. it is just a matter of time, unless we secure the way we do trade, and allow data in and out of this coutry.
There is a reason why China has a "Great Firewall"...
Are you speaking figuratively?
There is no firewall. It's just a bunch of wires and servers.
I am speaking figuratively, I know the "firewall" is a bunch of wires and servers... but it's known as a firewall for lament terms.
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Mercury
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by Mercury » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:18 am
The Conservative wrote:Mercury wrote:The Conservative wrote:Open trade demands a level of trust, in the US that means free reign to our market, which also gives access to our infrastructure and other entities that regretfully tie into our network overall. Giving trade access, especially internally. Once they get into the US to do trade, they have bypassed our firewall, and can hack/utilize our weakened infrastructure to send viruses and other hacking tools loose. This is why our infrastructure has been hacked how many times already? Or have been shown to have been hacked by foreign entities? This doesn't happen from the outside of our firewall, this happens because sometime in the past one of our "allies" came into our country and set the seeds for this to happen...
Web 2.0, it isn't perfect, but it allows for greater security by utilizing IPv6, it still has severe limitations because people are designing it be an upgraded version of the original Web, which means free access to all data. This is still going to be a problem overall, but thankfully they have designed this version to be more "upgradeable" if it makes any sense. We can add security to it's base layer as it becomes available. Will it protect us entirely, hell no... but it's a lot better than the original web... which was designed with no real security in mind.
As for the FBI/CIA/NSA/DHD can't handle... they can't comprehend the size of the internet, they could hire 10,000 people each and not even cover 1% of the web for security. 95% of the internet is not searchable by ordinary means, that means the hundreds of thousands of petabytes of data that we see, makes the iceberg that took down the Titanic seem like a kiddy toy.
There is a reason the government and its entities utilize technology to do the work for them. They search for keywords and statements combined to look for possible threats outside of the US attempting to get in.
If the US were serious about keeping everything humming and safe, our computers, our infrastructure, and all those who come in from outside would be void of malware, viruses, and technology that could potentially harm us. Especially those that deal in trade.
We won't, so we are always going to be susceptible to attacks, and they will originate from within because we as a country want to trust too quickly...to win the "hearts and minds" of the world.... and in doing so, we are going to implode. it is just a matter of time, unless we secure the way we do trade, and allow data in and out of this coutry.
There is a reason why China has a "Great Firewall"...
Are you speaking figuratively?
There is no firewall. It's just a bunch of wires and servers.
I am speaking figuratively, I know the "firewall" is a bunch of wires and servers... but it's known as a firewall for lament terms.
Not really what I meant, but ok.
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The Conservative
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by The Conservative » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:20 am
TheReal_ND wrote:The Conservative wrote:Open trade demands a level of trust, in the US that means free reign to our market, which also gives access to our infrastructure and other entities that regretfully tie into our network overall. Giving trade access, especially internally. Once they get into the US to do trade, they have bypassed our firewall, and can hack/utilize our weakened infrastructure to send viruses and other hacking tools loose. This is why our infrastructure has been hacked how many times already? Or have been shown to have been hacked by foreign entities? This doesn't happen from the outside of our firewall, this happens because sometime in the past one of our "allies" came into our country and set the seeds for this to happen...
Web 2.0, it isn't perfect, but it allows for greater security by utilizing IPv6, it still has severe limitations because people are designing it be an upgraded version of the original Web, which means free access to all data. This is still going to be a problem overall, but thankfully they have designed this version to be more "upgradeable" if it makes any sense. We can add security to it's base layer as it becomes available. Will it protect us entirely, hell no... but it's a lot better than the original web... which was designed with no real security in mind.
As for the FBI/CIA/NSA/DHD can't handle... they can't comprehend the size of the internet, they could hire 10,000 people each and not even cover 1% of the web for security. 95% of the internet is not searchable by ordinary means, that means the hundreds of thousands of petabytes of data that we see, makes the iceberg that took down the Titanic seem like a kiddy toy.
There is a reason the government and its entities utilize technology to do the work for them. They search for keywords and statements combined to look for possible threats outside of the US attempting to get in.
If the US were serious about keeping everything humming and safe, our computers, our infrastructure, and all those who come in from outside would be void of malware, viruses, and technology that could potentially harm us. Especially those that deal in trade.
We won't, so we are always going to be susceptible to attacks, and they will originate from within because we as a country want to trust too quickly...to win the "hearts and minds" of the world.... and in doing so, we are going to implode. it is just a matter of time, unless we secure the way we do trade, and allow data in and out of this country.
There is a reason why China has a "Great Firewall"...
Interesting read.
Isn't it true that all Russian ISP's use dynamic IP's?
Well, they use a Dynamic IP system because hosts can upon the request of people block IP ranges from countries. This is a given overall that Russia's main ISPs are blocked, but what isn't aren't traceable through traditional routes. VPNs, etc all direct, redirect and confuse the crap out of some. When you traceroute there is a reason why it stops at a specific spot... mainly the IP address going into Russia or some third party group...
It sucks, there is never a real way to stop this type of BS from happening as long as the US refuses to play real hardball...
Ever wonder why your tech is searched when entering or leaving some countries... that's why... they don't want the same espionage to happen to them as we have allowed to us...
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The Conservative
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by The Conservative » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:20 am
Mercury wrote:The Conservative wrote:Mercury wrote:
Are you speaking figuratively?
There is no firewall. It's just a bunch of wires and servers.
I am speaking figuratively, I know the "firewall" is a bunch of wires and servers... but it's known as a firewall for lament terms.
Not really what I meant, but ok.
Then amuse me, say what you mean...
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Mercury
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by Mercury » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:35 am
The Conservative wrote:Mercury wrote:The Conservative wrote:
I am speaking figuratively, I know the "firewall" is a bunch of wires and servers... but it's known as a firewall for lament terms.
Not really what I meant, but ok.
Then amuse me, say what you mean...
Well, I just wasn't sure what you meant by firewall. The U.S., as a country, doesn't have a firewall like an individual network does.
Also, Web 2.0 is content-based and not really related to addressing, though you make good points about V6.
A lot of admins/engineers are dragging their feet about V6 because they don't want to give up NAT (a V6 version is supposed to be available/in-dev, I think).
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The Conservative
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by The Conservative » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:46 am
Mercury wrote:The Conservative wrote:Mercury wrote:
Not really what I meant, but ok.
Then amuse me, say what you mean...
Well, I just wasn't sure what you meant by firewall. The U.S., as a country, doesn't have a firewall like an individual network does.
Also, Web 2.0 is content-based and not really related to addressing, though you make good points about V6.
A lot of admins/engineers are dragging their feet about V6 because they don't want to give up NAT (a V6 version is supposed to be available/in-dev, I think).
I mean Firewall as hardware, as you said servers and cables... not like how most people think of it as a piece of software or even with what I have, which is an individual piece of hardware. Firewall on a country level are entirely different beasts...
I know Web 2.0 is content based, but if you want to get down to nuts and bolts, I could be writing roughly a 10 page paper about what Web 2.0 is compared to Web "1.0/1.5"... What bothers me is that Web 2.0 still doesn't resolve a lot of the major issues that are plaguing us today...
AS for IPv6... yeah, people don't want to give up NAT, although i honestly think they should, it's a headache to say the least on a good day.
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SuburbanFarmer
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by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:15 pm
I don't have time, but yeah. There's a lot more to this than that.
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by 3knuckleshuffle » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:44 pm
I am still confused - what do you mean by "our firewall"? Interesting couple of posts, just can't figure out what that is supposed to mean...
Also, not to get all conspiracy minded, but interesting the Microsoft delayed the release of security patches last month, then this month releases like 7 criticals for RCEs. Probably coincidence, and 7 RCE patches isn't too crazy for one month (although more than average), but timing is interesting.