What's going on in India?

[Speaker to Animals]

Actually, no.

You cannot load the new hypersonic missiles on an F-35 since they cannot fit in the weapons bay.

You can load 20+ missiles on an F-15X too. F-35 does not come close.

[brewster]

Out of curiosity I checked out this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%8 ... bat_losses. There has basically been zero air combat between latest gen models in the 1/2 century since Vietnam. Most has been between obsolete or never top of the line craft like the Iranian F-5Es vs Iraqi MiG-21s. All this speculation about "air superiority" is just that. So much of all our military planning is for the last war, or the one before the one before that. Every real war we've found we've made drastic mistakes in our planning and procurement, like the statement in the tank thread that we saw it only as infantry support. What makes you think the next one will be different? That these $100m planes aren't the equivalent of unarmored humvees in not anticipating the challenges of actual war?

[Smitty-48]

There's no need for the complexity and expense of hypersonic when F-35 is going to be getting in close, that's the beauty of the force multiplying stealth, older cheaper American weapons already in the inventory, are made mucho devastating once again.

[Smitty-48]

Hypersonic is not actually scary, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon have that covered, you can shoot down hypersonics, they don't manuever, they just get hit by the counter missile faster.

[Smitty-48]

Much more scary is the slower but agile stealth missile that they don't see until the very last moment, when it's too late to get out of the way nor shoot it down.

Information Warfare; information is life.

[StCapps]

Out of curiosity I checked out this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%8 ... bat_losses. There has basically been zero air combat between latest gen models in the 1/2 century since Vietnam. Most has been between obsolete or never top of the line craft like the Iranian F-5Es vs Iraqi MiG-21s. All this speculation about "air superiority" is just that. So much of all our military planning is for the last war, or the one before the one before that. Every real war we've found we've made drastic mistakes in our planning and procurement, like the statement in the tank thread that we saw it only as infantry support. What makes you think the next one will be different? That these $100m planes aren't the equivalent of unarmored humvees in not anticipating the challenges of actual war?

The US is obviously making mistakes in pursuit of fighting the last war, but there is no reason to assume that the F-35 is one of those mistakes. The F-35 is the option that focuses the least on fighting the last war, of all the other available options, and focuses the most on fighting the next war.
/shrugs

[Smitty-48]

The US is obviously making mistakes in pursuit of fighting the last war, but there is no reason to assume that the F-35 is one of those mistakes.
/shrugs

F-35 is the move to get out of the last war paradigm.

F-35 is the Information Warfare fighter for the Information Age.

F-35 gathers and processes information to speed the OODA loop up.

While denying information to the other guys OODA loop.

Information Warfare; information is life.

[Speaker to Animals]

Information warfare. OODA Loops. Paradigms. You're gonna LOVE these nuts!


OMFG it's like a living Lockmart pamphlet. I thought I left the kool aid days behind me when Yahoo closed their stock message boards. Hilarious.

[Smitty-48]

Those talking about dedicated air superiority Flying Tennis Courts (F-15) are the ones locked in the last war paradigm, obvious 1970's paradigm is obvious.

[Speaker to Animals]

Out of curiosity I checked out this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%8 ... bat_losses. There has basically been zero air combat between latest gen models in the 1/2 century since Vietnam. Most has been between obsolete or never top of the line craft like the Iranian F-5Es vs Iraqi MiG-21s. All this speculation about "air superiority" is just that. So much of all our military planning is for the last war, or the one before the one before that. Every real war we've found we've made drastic mistakes in our planning and procurement, like the statement in the tank thread that we saw it only as infantry support. What makes you think the next one will be different? That these $100m planes aren't the equivalent of unarmored humvees in not anticipating the challenges of actual war?

Nah. F-15 was put up against its Soviet peers a few times, especially by Israel. Back in the day the Soviets were arming Israel's enemies with some of their best kit in a proxy war to test their tech against ours. We basically used Israel as a testing ground. Israel won. America won the proxy wars. F-15 became the greatest fighter aircraft of all time.