THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Dand]

Trump isn't playing this thing well now. Just dismissing everything isn't going to work. A better idea would be to state the obvious, Russia basically gets into all elections. And simply show them who you are for. Trump sitting down with some McCain and Graham simply would be good politics.

Denial makes it a power game for the Congress here. Even the Gopsters can start being trouble at the hearings. That a bipartisan bunch of senators raising the issue isn't a good thing. In the election it was different, naturally people in the GOP had their picks and could be against Trump. Yet now when he is going to be the President, it's his team. Some Mitt Romney is a perfect example, they will play ball.

"Democrats and Republicans must work together, and across the jurisdictional lines of the Congress, to examine these recent incidents thoroughly and devise comprehensive solutions to deter and defend against further cyberattacks," Schumer, Reed, McCain and Graham said in the joint statement.

"This cannot become a partisan issue," they added. "The stakes are too high for our country. We are committed to working in this bipartisan manner, and we will seek to unify our colleagues around the goal of investigating and stopping the grave threats that cyberattacks conducted by foreign governments pose to our national security.”

See Trump vs. Congress on Russian hacking

It's a bipartisan attempt to delegitimize Trump. There are plenty of "Never Trump" Republicans (e.g. McCain and Graham) that want Trump to fail or even to prevent Trump from being inaugurated. The Military Industrial Complex is more important to them than their party holding the presidency but for Trump it is all about the presidency. Wouldn't it be suicidal for him to make a statement that the US election was controlled by Russian hackers? I think it would be nonsensical for him to say anything like that and it will only be used against him. He's smart enough not to fall for this trick and delegitimize his own election. He would gain nothing except kudos from his opponents in exchange for risking everything he worked for and betraying the people that voted for him.

IF Trump's opponents come up with some evidence that Russian hackers altered voting machines or hacked into computers then he would have to consider making such a statement but for now this is totally speculative.

[TheReal_ND]

[Okeefenokee]

You know you're watching fake news when they say Russia hacked the election, when the machines aren't networked.

Garrison's on top of it. The emails don't threaten democracy. They threaten the Democrats, the media, and potentially the Republicans. That's why everyone's flipping their shit. Corrupt politicians and hack journalos having their dirty laundry aired out globally. That's the crisis they're reacting too right now.

[Montegriffo]

Can't help feeling it's not a good idea for the president to criticise the CIA. Has any one warned him to stay away from book depositaries in Dallas yet?

[TheReal_ND]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-1 ... aganda-act

In other words, the Act will i) greenlight the government to crack down with impunity against any media property it deems "propaganda", and ii) provide substantial amounts of money fund an army of "local journalist" counterpropaganda, to make sure the government's own fake news drowns that of the still free "fringes."

So while packaged politely in a veneer of "countering disinformation and propaganda", the bill, once signed by Obama, will effectively give the government a full mandate to punish, shut down or otherwise prosecute, any website it deems offensive and a source of "foreign government propaganda from Russia, China or other nations."

And since there is no formal way of proving whether or not there is indeed a foreign propaganda sponsor, all that will be sufficient to eliminate any "dissenting" website, will be the government's word against that of the website.

One can be confident that the US government will almost certainly prevail in every single time.

Well fuck.

[Okeefenokee]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-1 ... aganda-act

In other words, the Act will i) greenlight the government to crack down with impunity against any media property it deems "propaganda", and ii) provide substantial amounts of money fund an army of "local journalist" counterpropaganda, to make sure the government's own fake news drowns that of the still free "fringes."

So while packaged politely in a veneer of "countering disinformation and propaganda", the bill, once signed by Obama, will effectively give the government a full mandate to punish, shut down or otherwise prosecute, any website it deems offensive and a source of "foreign government propaganda from Russia, China or other nations."

And since there is no formal way of proving whether or not there is indeed a foreign propaganda sponsor, all that will be sufficient to eliminate any "dissenting" website, will be the government's word against that of the website.

One can be confident that the US government will almost certainly prevail in every single time.

Well fuck.

Before we get the torches out, what kind of confirmation do we have on this?

[TheReal_ND]

This is the only place I've seen it so far.

Looks like it's not passed yet.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-con ... cosponsors

[Okeefenokee]

This is the only place I've seen it so far.

Looks like it's not passed yet.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-con ... cosponsors

This is surreal.

[Penner]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-1 ... aganda-act

In other words, the Act will i) greenlight the government to crack down with impunity against any media property it deems "propaganda", and ii) provide substantial amounts of money fund an army of "local journalist" counterpropaganda, to make sure the government's own fake news drowns that of the still free "fringes."

So while packaged politely in a veneer of "countering disinformation and propaganda", the bill, once signed by Obama, will effectively give the government a full mandate to punish, shut down or otherwise prosecute, any website it deems offensive and a source of "foreign government propaganda from Russia, China or other nations."

And since there is no formal way of proving whether or not there is indeed a foreign propaganda sponsor, all that will be sufficient to eliminate any "dissenting" website, will be the government's word against that of the website.

One can be confident that the US government will almost certainly prevail in every single time.

Well fuck.

It's fuck 2016

[TheReal_ND]

This is the only place I've seen it so far.

Looks like it's not passed yet.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-con ... cosponsors

This is surreal.

lol I just realized who they would be giving the power to.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=liZBtm5wt ... e=youtu.be

FULL EVENT: Donald Trump Baton Rouge Speech, LA Rally for John Kennedy, Get-Out-the-Vote 12/09/16

Trump at 3:11:00