THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:42 am

Dand wrote:OK, I understand. We're on the same page more than I thought. No puppet, no puppet.
I think that people here get correct the picture.

The real question here is how this mess will effect Trump's cabinet and it's working relationship with the intelligence services and the military. Now if Trump simply disregards the whole thing and would approach Russian in extremely friendly terms, the issue won't go away. Now some Mattis or Pompeo have no problem, but especially some Flynn might have a somewhat problem here. With Tillerson of course the question is if he is a Secretary of State for the US or a Secretary of State for Exxon and Exxon's interests in Russia. Future CIA chief Pompeo for example, a veteran of the military-industrial complex and the congress, has been in the Senate Intelligence Committee doesn't have a pro-Russia problem:
But unlike Trump and Flynn, Pompeo is also hawkish on Russia, putting him much more in sync with most of the nation’s top military brass who see Russia as America’s top national security threat, but potentially at odds with his new boss.

Trump has expressed a desire to work with Russia in Syria to fight ISIS. But Pompeo has called the notion that Russia’s goal in Syria is to defeat ISIS “a fundamentally false narrative” and suggested that Russia’s real goal is trying to establish a foothold in the Middle East.
See here.

Mike Pompeo
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Yet the cabinet picks, the political heads of departments are just one thing. The biggest worry is this "storm in a glass or water" morphs into a general dysfunctional relationship between the White House and the intelligence services. Naturally the media typically makes this a bigger problem and the Democrats will try to use this to their advantage.
The simmering distrust between Donald Trump and U.S. intelligence agencies escalated into open antagonism Saturday after the president-elect mocked a CIA report that Russian operatives had intervened in the U.S. presidential election to help him win. The growing tensions set up a potential showdown between Trump and the nation’s top intelligence officials during what some of those officials describe as the most complex threat environment in decades.

U.S. intelligence officials described mounting concern and confusion about how to proceed in an administration so openly hostile to their function and role. “I don’t know what the end game is here,” a senior U.S. intelligence official said. “After Jan. 20,” the official said, referring to Inauguration Day, “we’re in uncharted territory.”
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Through the working relationship and with actual Trump policies emerging this might improve. Interesting thing is that if it would have been Hillary Clinton assembling her cabinet now, there would be a same kind of problem with Hillary and the FBI.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Cid » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:22 am

Okeefenokee wrote:Fake news.



Broadcast news is awful, just no way around it. Responsibility to deliver ratings means you're going to be inclined to push the limit. Print on the internet is worse because hobby commentators != journalists, and also nothing destroys a person's will to be truthful than not making it in a field they went to four years of college for (which explains Drudge, Brietbart, Daily Kos, Mother Jones.) They'll burn the house down and sell tickets, gas can in hand.

Print old media is about all that's left and that won't be around much longer because Pullitzer wasn't wrong.
Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together. An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mould the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.
-Joseph Pulitzer

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:47 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Just like the story about how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (it didn't).
Well nobody found any, my guess is they had used them all up.
We know they did at some point because France kept the receipts.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Cid » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:59 am

We had tons of photographic intel that turned out to be bogus. We had a no fly zone enforced over Iraq. Saddam couldn't take a smelly shit without Hans Blix signing off on it first.

Its abundantly clear that WMDs were a casus belli, because if it wasn't there would be zero conjecture over it from the rational world.

Believing other actors helped smuggle that shit out is toothfairy nonsense in a world where SH was found looking like he was auditioning for the preface to Breaking Bad. "We'll hide your chemical weapons for you, but you know if the US comes after you go hide your ass in your own windowless basement."

Not saying people didn't think he had stuff, but wanting to believe something is true does not make that thing true.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:14 am

Speaking of Fake News, I'm really not buying this Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta's emails thing. They lie through their teeth with weasel words, here's a perfect example.

Can't Cuck The Tuck.
*yip*

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Cid » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:35 am

The administration boasts about sending women to the front lines on the same day Democrats push the Violence Against Women Act. - Tucker Carlson
Gotta be careful that in your aspiration to not be a cuck you don't sound like a god damn retard. But I guess Tucktard is better than cucktard? Hard to tell.

But I can't call Tucktard a pussy, that distinction goes to his liberal duopoly fuckbuddy Paul Begala.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:48 am

Cid wrote:
The administration boasts about sending women to the front lines on the same day Democrats push the Violence Against Women Act. - Tucker Carlson
Gotta be careful that in your aspiration to not be a cuck you don't sound like a god damn retard. But I guess Tucktard is better than cucktard? Hard to tell.

But I can't call Tucktard a pussy, that distinction goes to his liberal duopoly fuckbuddy Paul Begala.
What does that quote have to do with his argument in the video above? Ad hominem, attack the argument, not the messenger of the argument.
*yip*

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:49 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Just like the story about how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (it didn't).
Well nobody found any, my guess is they had used them all up.
We know they did at some point because France kept the receipts.
Sarin has a shelf life and nobody is keeping the receipts for who's pulling the trigger during a civil war.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Cid » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:53 am

StCapps wrote:What does that quote have to do with his argument in the video above? Ad hominem, attack the argument, not the messenger of the argument.
Shit you're going to defend a guy who made a career out of ad hominem attacks against an ad hominem attack after a video you linked that's title was,

"Tucker Carlson destroys Dem. Congressman over supposed Russian interference in the election"

Yeah, blargity blarg blarg. I won't be linking to any videos from Rachel Maddow or other bullshit, but hey I figure I'm judged by what I post on here so herpa derpa, post stupid clickbait and you might get stupid clickbait back.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:55 am

Cid wrote:
StCapps wrote:What does that quote have to do with his argument in the video above? Ad hominem, attack the argument, not the messenger of the argument.
Shit you're going to defend a guy who made a career out of ad hominem attacks against an ad hominem attack after a video you linked that's title was,

"Tucker Carlson destroys Dem. Congressman over supposed Russian interference in the election"

Yeah, blargity blarg blarg. I won't be linking to any videos from Rachel Maddow or other bullshit, but hey I figure I'm judged by what I post on here so herpa derpa, post stupid clickbait and you might get stupid clickbait back.


Pepe!