The Left Does not Reason

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by BjornP » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:37 am

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Yeah, the Antifa movements in Europe are way more violent:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the- ... -militants

Probably has to do with them having had alot of practise over the years. The latest big riot they had here, though was when their building was ordered cleared because they had failed to comply with building codes... which are Fascist. 8-) Their biggest one was probably when Denmark accepted the Maastricht treaty that formed the EU. I don't need to tell anyone what they think EU is, do I?
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:42 am

They will get destroyed here in the coming years. We already had to deal with the KKK in the past. We don't need this shit again.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:47 am

Thanks for the tip bjorn. I wonder if American AntiFa are training and learning from European AntiFa ?
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by clubgop » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:50 am

jbird4049 wrote:
clubgop wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Well done. You've certainly defended your honorable position on this, and I cede your point (whatever it may be). Clearly, you are the wiser man.
You mean this to be sarcastic and sardonic but we all know it is a copout because you are a cowardly bitch.
Why the personal insults? Does it contribute anything to the conversation? Except for destroying them, that is.
Once again when you cant respond to my substantive points you tsk tsk school marm tone police as if for the last 30 pages you and your allies havent been mollycoddling violent sjws, coporte dem shills and the hissyfit they throw. Save it, pipsqueak. Unless you are going to hand out the same admonishment to GCF you are just being partisan hack ass or simply angry at an inequious creator that bestowed such gifts to one as to be able to offer substintive arguments on the one side while handing out such profrane insults that it makes libertine liberals clutch their anal beads in shock and horror. I know I would be too.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by clubgop » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:54 am

BjornP wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Yeah, the Antifa movements in Europe are way more violent:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the- ... -militants

Probably has to do with them having had alot of practise over the years. The latest big riot they had here, though was when their building was ordered cleared because they had failed to comply with building codes... which are Fascist. 8-) Their biggest one was probably when Denmark accepted the Maastricht treaty that formed the EU. I don't need to tell anyone what they think EU is, do I?
It's pretty bad that the descendants of vikings have to tell the left to calm down before it leads to bad things they dont want.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by BjornP » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:55 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:They will get destroyed here in the coming years. We already had to deal with the KKK in the past. We don't need this shit again.
Dude, the closest an antifa anarchist ever came to power here, was writing articles in a online magazine (now shut down due to lack of funding) one the extreme left that nobody outside their small circle read. Just treat them like any other rioter. Let the riot police handle them, buy popcorn, sit down, relax and enjoy the show. They'll do some property damage, sure, but that just makes people even more pissed off at them. Might as well give them shovels to dig their own political and PR graves.
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by BjornP » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:11 pm

clubgop wrote:
It's pretty bad that the descendants of vikings have to tell the left to calm down before it leads to bad things they dont want.
That whole Jesus thing messed us up pretty bad. :|
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:15 pm

BjornP wrote:
clubgop wrote:
It's pretty bad that the descendants of vikings have to tell the left to calm down before it leads to bad things they dont want.
That whole Jesus thing messed us up pretty bad. :|
You Vikings can be Proud. Most of Europe went down without a fight. You guys had a couple hundred good years of raiding monasteries and Christendom before you fell to the Cross.
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by JohnDonne » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:17 pm

C-Mag wrote:
JohnDonne wrote:
I agree that it is far from simple. From what I can tell there was no "magical switch moment." That's a red herring.
OK, hey look at us in agreement. There is no switch moment, but ebbs and flows over time. :D

For aid in our discussion, every POTUS election map http://www.270towin.com/historical-pres ... elections/


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If you deny the switch theory, you can either claim that Democrats were always progressive, which doesn't bear out well in history, or you can say they were never progressive, which is a denial of the present moment. So you have all the work ahead of you to explain the "true" story and how the "myth" has become so pervasive as to be widely accepted by historians and common people alike.
I see Progressivism very differently than you present it here. IMO, Progressivism may be semantically tied to the Democrats and what we call the Left, however Progressivism is the primary ideology of the Washington Establishment and our political elites in both parties.

Progressives do not believe in inalienable human rights, government decides who has rights
Progressives believe it is governments role to create individuals rather than protect individuals
Progressives believe a strong executive with a wide government network and accessible funds are required to shape individuals and improve humans

And during the last 100 years both partys have advanced the cause of Progressivism.
Perhaps our conversation has reached its limit then since it is based in semantics. I don't agree with your definition of Progressive, it sounds more like authoritarian communism. But it was good conversing.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:18 pm

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Speaker to Animals wrote:They will get destroyed here in the coming years. We already had to deal with the KKK in the past. We don't need this shit again.
Dude, the closest an antifa anarchist ever came to power here, was writing articles in a online magazine (now shut down due to lack of funding) one the extreme left that nobody outside their small circle read. Just treat them like any other rioter. Let the riot police handle them, buy popcorn, sit down, relax and enjoy the show. They'll do some property damage, sure, but that just makes people even more pissed off at them. Might as well give them shovels to dig their own political and PR graves.
Unfortunately, in America they are contracted by the democratic party to do these riots and violent assaults on innocent people, and the democratic mayors order the police to stand down instead of stop them.

Hopefully President Trump nails those mayors' candy asses to the wall under federal civil rights law violations, and allows the police to crush antifa.

Because the day soon approaches when the right hits back, and our right are not like your right. It will be painful. For antifa.