Trump's Economic Plan

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:18 pm

apeman wrote:You allege that China isn't suffering from tariffs (the "unseen"), so tariffs will not be destructive to US.

Is that a charitable recitation of your point? I F not please correct me

No. I said what made that meme so utterly retarded was the fact that China already does that shit to us.

This whole discussion does remind me of the Mexican immigration policy. We have Mexican politicians acting morally outraged that our nation might not let millions of their nationals to illegally immigrate here, and yet Mexico runs a strict immigration policy in which illegal immigrants are rounded up and jailed, sometimes brutally. Mexico will not allow you to move your candy white ass to Mexico illegally, take Mexican jobs, and start collecting Mexican benefits (as shit as they are). But as soon as you signal you wish to reciprocate, it's "OMFG! think of how fucked up your country will be!!".

Now we see the same kind of tactic coming from the lolbergs when it comes to tariffs. At this point, this is what you want to see, since it indicates you are on the right track when they resort to this ridiculous tactic.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:26 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
apeman wrote:You allege that China isn't suffering from tariffs (the "unseen"), so tariffs will not be destructive to US.

Is that a charitable recitation of your point? I F not please correct me

No. I said what made that meme so utterly retarded was the fact that China already does that shit to us.

This whole discussion does remind me of the Mexican immigration policy. We have Mexican politicians acting morally outraged that our nation might not let millions of their nationals to illegally immigrate here, and yet Mexico runs a strict immigration policy in which illegal immigrants are rounded up and jailed, sometimes brutally. Mexico will not allow you to move your candy white ass to Mexico illegally, take Mexican jobs, and start collecting Mexican benefits (as shit as they are). But as soon as you signal you wish to reciprocate, it's "OMFG! think of how fucked up your country will be!!".

Now we see the same kind of tactic coming from the lolbergs when it comes to tariffs. At this point, this is what you want to see, since it indicates you are on the right track when they resort to this ridiculous tactic.
You are flailing like a madman, in order to avoid a simple truth. Tariffs are the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot. It doesn't matter if someone else is using them on you. At all.
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:28 pm

If what China does to us is shooting one's self in the foot, then I say shoot away, genius.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by apeman » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:29 pm

apeman wrote:You allege that China isn't suffering from tariffs (the "unseen"), so tariffs will not be destructive to US.

Is that a charitable recitation of your point? I F not please correct me
We're not talking about immigration, I am trying to nail down your position.

Question 1: Concisely, why is the meme utterly retarded?

Question 2: do you acknowledge any downsides to tariffs?

To head off any questions, I recognize pretty much the same benefits to tariffs that you have repeated here, but I see serious downsides as well which are rarely discussed.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:31 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:If what China does to us is shooting one's self in the foot, then I say shoot away, genius.
What they "do to us" is artificially lower the value of their currency, which means that they can offer a $2/hr labor force to make shit for our companies. That's not really a terrible thing, except that all of the benefit goes to our companies and stockholders.

China may also employ some sort of tariffs against us - I really don't know - but it wouldn't matter anyway, because their consumers couldn't afford our shit anyway, because of the depressed currency.
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:33 pm

They do in fact levy tariffs against US imports.

They also impose additional tariff-like effects by selectively enforcing VAT on US goods.

There are a handful of other practices they use to favor Chinese goods and to severely limit foreign imports.

What Americans have proposed we do is a small fraction of what they already do to us.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:35 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:They do in fact levy tariffs against US imports.
That's cool. Again, it wouldn't matter anyway. The only possible consumers of our software and widgets would be their top-tier upper class anyway. Their currency being depressed means that they can't buy shit from us.
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by apeman » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:36 pm

apeman wrote:Question 2: do you acknowledge any downsides to tariffs?

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:38 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:They do in fact levy tariffs against US imports.
That's cool. Again, it wouldn't matter anyway. The only possible consumers of our software and widgets would be their top-tier upper class anyway. Their currency being depressed means that they can't buy shit from us.

We are talking about raw materials and manufactured goods like automobiles here.

You really should avoid the stock market.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:38 pm

apeman wrote:
apeman wrote:Question 2: do you acknowledge any downsides to tariffs?

No.