Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

[PartyOf5]

Don’t be a meat bitch, better yourself brah.

And there it is in a nutshell. He feels superior to us because we eat meat and he doesn't. And that after whining like a bitch about us pointing out that humans are superior to animals and how we are abusing animals because we eat them for food.

BTW, I'm having steak for dinner tonight. Turkey tomorrow. Maybe some bacon and eggs for breakfast.

[PartyOf5]

Every species is lower on the evolutionary ladder than us. It's a fact. IDK what point JohnDon is trying to make other than to try and show how much higher up on the ladder he thinks he is because he doesn't eat meat.

Alright, suppose Ghengis khan is ass raping you, do you have no other reaction other than he’s higher on some natural ladder than yourself? Man what a shit world we’d still live in we took your ethical values to heart.

Ghengis Khan is not a species.

[JohnDonne]

Every species is lower on the evolutionary ladder than us. It's a fact. IDK what point JohnDon is trying to make other than to try and show how much higher up on the ladder he thinks he is because he doesn't eat meat.

Alright, suppose Ghengis khan is ass raping you, do you have no other reaction other than he’s higher on some natural ladder than yourself? Man what a shit world we’d still live in we took your ethical values to heart.

Ghengis Khan is not a species.

It really doesn't matter when you're the Khan's bitch, he evolved better than you, he's stronger, smarter, has more leadership capabilities. Might makes right, according to you.

[PartyOf5]

Ghengis Khan is not a species.

It really doesn't matter when you're the Khan's bitch, he evolved better than you, he's stronger, smarter, has more leadership capabilities. Might makes right, according to you.

You are unable to understand the conversation. Maybe if you ate some meat you would be able to think clearly.

[JohnDonne]

Ghengis Khan is not a species.

It really doesn't matter when you're the Khan's bitch, he evolved better than you, he's stronger, smarter, has more leadership capabilities. Might makes right, according to you.

You are unable to understand the conversation. Maybe if you ate some meat you would be able to think clearly.

K

[Speaker to Animals]

The phrase "worse than" implies both a moral judgment and one of disapproval of humanity itself. I think the vegan is projecting his own problems onto normal people who eat a proper diet.

I do not place moral judgments upon animals outside of perhaps jokes, and I certainly do not hold contempt and implicit hate for our species. In fact, I am rather proud of us atomic primates.

But JD has shown exactly that for humanity. Indeed, most of his type constantly express hatred towards our species. They co-opted environmentalism from nationalists to use it as a vehicle to demand population reductions through evil and tyrannical laws. They demand we not be allowed to eat a natural human diet. Think about that. If a zoo decided to feed lions what the elephants eat, the state would protect the animals from what would rightly be called abuse. Even JD's type would protest the abuse, and yet they want to do exactly that to humans. He is projecting.

You have claimed in the past that animals cannot reason and therefore it’s ok to use them for our needs, therefore you are implicitly saying they are inferior as beings of moral consideration. Never mind that animals display practical reasoning skills on a near-constant basis, it’s almost incredible that one could claim otherwise.
No projection there, unless it’s me rolling back the clip in slow motion for the win.

Maybe you have a new rationalization for abusing animals. Oh, I see, we’re all animals now, cool, that makes sense, we part of nature and shiet. Oh wait, we have laws against murder, and animal welfare laws in the books already, guess humans as animals doesn’t mean ethics doesn’t apply after all. Why would it anyway, even from a purely evolutionary perspective? Ethics exists in evolution because it emerged from the process of evolution. You can’t escape it by claiming you’re just a primate.

You say lions eat meat, so? You think I like it? But Im not here to reason with a lion, they don’t have your wealth of options or your circumstance, and it’s that which dictates the ethics of any given action. I’m saying you, in your circumstance and people like you have not much in the way of an excuse to kill things that feel subjectively. You do it mainly for the feels, so you are in essence feeding off the suffering of other creatures without necessity.

Don’t give me the same old lies about veganism not working nutritionally, absolute discredited bullshit, watch vegan gains if you’re a skeptic, or look at vegan boxers and vegan mma fighters. Don’t be a meat bitch, better yourself brah.

This is a lie followed by dramatic nonsense.

Of course animals cannot reason. It does not follow from their lack of reason that it is okay to eat them. We eat them because we are animals too and that is our fucking diet. I would agree that we ought not eat the animals that are at the pre-sapient stage, such as chimps and dolphins. The reason sapience matters is that your capacity to experience pain is amplified by self-awareness. A conscious, self-aware human being possesses an *I* that can suffer. This is why we do not necessarily give anesthesia to newborns (they are not self-aware).

Then you lie again by claiming I said, because we eat animals, they are beneath moral consideration. I said no such thing. You really are a fucking lying little vegan shit.

As far as veganism not being nutritional.. dude, the evidence is fucking everywhere! You are supposed to eat a human diet. Vegans have the worse possible diet that is out there. You are less healthy than the people who eat nothing but processed fast foods all the time. They are healthier than you!

How fucking retarded does a group of people have to be to turn their diet into a religion anyway?

[PartyOf5]

This is a lie followed by dramatic nonsense.

Then you lie again by claiming I said, because we eat animals, they are beneath moral consideration. I said no such thing. You really are a fucking lying little vegan shit.

Same act he pulled on me trying to say I said "might makes right".

[Hastur]

It's much easier to argue against straw men. It might be part of the vegan religion.

[JohnDonne]

This is a lie followed by dramatic nonsense.

Then you lie again by claiming I said, because we eat animals, they are beneath moral consideration. I said no such thing. You really are a fucking lying little vegan shit.

Same act he pulled on me trying to say I said "might makes right".

That is the principle you invoke when you use the food chain hierarchy as your rationalization for abusing and killing animals.

[JohnDonne]

The phrase "worse than" implies both a moral judgment and one of disapproval of humanity itself. I think the vegan is projecting his own problems onto normal people who eat a proper diet.

I do not place moral judgments upon animals outside of perhaps jokes, and I certainly do not hold contempt and implicit hate for our species. In fact, I am rather proud of us atomic primates.

But JD has shown exactly that for humanity. Indeed, most of his type constantly express hatred towards our species. They co-opted environmentalism from nationalists to use it as a vehicle to demand population reductions through evil and tyrannical laws. They demand we not be allowed to eat a natural human diet. Think about that. If a zoo decided to feed lions what the elephants eat, the state would protect the animals from what would rightly be called abuse. Even JD's type would protest the abuse, and yet they want to do exactly that to humans. He is projecting.

You have claimed in the past that animals cannot reason and therefore it’s ok to use them for our needs, therefore you are implicitly saying they are inferior as beings of moral consideration. Never mind that animals display practical reasoning skills on a near-constant basis, it’s almost incredible that one could claim otherwise.
No projection there, unless it’s me rolling back the clip in slow motion for the win.

Maybe you have a new rationalization for abusing animals. Oh, I see, we’re all animals now, cool, that makes sense, we part of nature and shiet. Oh wait, we have laws against murder, and animal welfare laws in the books already, guess humans as animals doesn’t mean ethics doesn’t apply after all. Why would it anyway, even from a purely evolutionary perspective? Ethics exists in evolution because it emerged from the process of evolution. You can’t escape it by claiming you’re just a primate.

You say lions eat meat, so? You think I like it? But Im not here to reason with a lion, they don’t have your wealth of options or your circumstance, and it’s that which dictates the ethics of any given action. I’m saying you, in your circumstance and people like you have not much in the way of an excuse to kill things that feel subjectively. You do it mainly for the feels, so you are in essence feeding off the suffering of other creatures without necessity.

Don’t give me the same old lies about veganism not working nutritionally, absolute discredited bullshit, watch vegan gains if you’re a skeptic, or look at vegan boxers and vegan mma fighters. Don’t be a meat bitch, better yourself brah.

This is a lie followed by dramatic nonsense.

Of course animals cannot reason. It does not follow from their lack of reason that it is okay to eat them. We eat them because we are animals too and that is our fucking diet. I would agree that we ought not eat the animals that are at the pre-sapient stage, such as chimps and dolphins. The reason sapience matters is that your capacity to experience pain is amplified by self-awareness. A conscious, self-aware human being possesses an *I* that can suffer. This is why we do not necessarily give anesthesia to newborns (they are not self-aware).

Then you lie again by claiming I said, because we eat animals, they are beneath moral consideration. I said no such thing. You really are a fucking lying little vegan shit.

As far as veganism not being nutritional.. dude, the evidence is fucking everywhere! You are supposed to eat a human diet. Vegans have the worse possible diet that is out there. You are less healthy than the people who eat nothing but processed fast foods all the time. They are healthier than you!

How fucking retarded does a group of people have to be to turn their diet into a religion anyway?

So much vague gobbledygook, appeal to nature fallacies and so forth.

You appeal to nature in citing the “human diet.” You violate your own fallacious appeal by making exceptions for “pre-sapient” creatures, (whatever that means, lol) implying that sapience is the determining factor in ethics, which as I recall is what I said was your position. So I’m not a liar, after all, you’re just too silly to know your own argument.

Claiming that there’s a human diet that is the true natural one is quite funny, given the diversity of the human menu, (which in some parts includes other humans btw).

The evidence for veganism being an extremely healthy option for humans is overwhelming, one would have to go digging far from the medical and nutritional consensus to find evidence otherwise.