Stalin

[TheReal_ND]

Again, I wish to make this clear. We have been taught this was a "good war." We sided with communist Russia. We fire bombed more than Japan we fire bombed everything that moved. We raped and we tortured and we did murder POW's. This is why the "greatest" generation was always tight lipped about the war. They were kids and did terrible things to the German people. Eisenhower literally oversaw a death camp of Germans and denied the Red Cross by the train load. These are things they dont tell you while they paint Hitler into being a "pyscopath."

[GloryofGreece]

Explain the "Soviet Threat" that Hitler threw away his victory for... He had a NAP with Stalin, and a clear path to victory. Then turned around and split his army.

Yes. First of all if he did not regard communism as a threat like America has not done since we started backing first Lenin then Mao and eventually Stalin etc.then he likely would have not given two figs about the excessively generous claims given to, post war, communist, Russia that were threatening German peoples in eastern Europe.

The fact that he perceived the would be invaders as the threat they were to Germany should be self evident, even leaving aside the Jewish question of the entire first and second war.

Bear in mind Stalin had one and only one enemy: Hitler. Stalin fought the entire war with the entire world on his side. There was no threat from Japan.

I have no doubt that Hitler “perceived a threat” from the Soviets, but what was the threat? He had a NAP that Stalin never would have broken.

I’m not complaining - it saved the world. But nobody seems able to explain this, other than incredible stupidity or pride.

After studying the man and the history I've come to think that most men are consumed with paranoia (real or imagined or usually a mixture of both real threats and fantasies) and that drives them mad. The combination of supreme power, rise to fame, and sheer mania will do that most anyone. I think Julius Caesar handled it best from what we have documented. He ended up being killed but I think he had his wits about him even at the end. Unlike Stalin, Hitler, Napoleon, and Alexander for examples.

[TheReal_ND]

Hitler was right about nearly everything. The only thing I fault him on was tactics. He was right though. You have a maniacal new world order hell bent on wiping out Europeans while mentally castrating them. You won this but you were actually the bad guys so whatever.

[heydaralon]

The Japanese did fight the Soviets and Mongorians in the battle of the Khalkin Gol. Through a series of ruses, General Zhukov beat the Japanese Sixth Army. Had this battle not happened, Russia might have fought a two theater war. In any case, Japan humiliated Russia in the Russo-Japanese War, so at the very least the Russians always had that worry in the back of their mind. Russia was also aided both Chang kei-Shek and Mao in China which Japan was occupying parts of, so in effect they were sort of fighting a two theater war by proxy.

I do not believe for a minute that Stalin would have left Germany alone regardless of the NAP. The Comintern supported all sorts of subversive activity in Europe leading up to Hitler's seizure of power. There is debate about how far along Stalin was in his plans to fuck over Germany. The guy who wrote Icebreaker thought he was about to invade before Barbarossa. I don't believe this. There are some historians who think it would not have happened until at least 1943, but who knows. Think about how greedy Stalin was though. He took half of Europe and immediately started funding Mao during the Chinese Civil War, and then Kim Il Sung in the Korean One. He wasn't going to let a German Facsist whose entire worldview rested on anti-Bolshevism remain in power if he could help it. Germany in and of itself was a prize for quality manufacturing, skilled manpower, military tech, and geography, all of which Russia needed desperately. It would have been too much to resist.

[TheReal_ND]

It was FDR, a known communist sympathizer, that died while getting fucked over by communist Russia. He left it to Truman, likely a man that lived up to his name, to battle communists to this day. We probably lost that residual war in the long run.

[GloryofGreece]

Stalin's wife's suicide.
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/14/worl ... icide.html

[GloryofGreece]

Interesting new talk about Stalin in WWII specifically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NV-hq2akCQ

[C-Mag]

Hitler was right about nearly everything. The only thing I fault him on was tactics. He was right though. You have a maniacal new world order hell bent on wiping out Europeans while mentally castrating them. You won this but you were actually the bad guys so whatever.

No
But his level of evil is overstated in comparison to his contemporarys like Stalin and Mao.

[TheReal_ND]

No. He was right. About everything. Enjoy being on the right side of history. *shrug*

[C-Mag]

Stalin was more ruthless than all other WWII leaders. That's why he made the biggest gains after the war.

He only fought the Nips late to gain ground and influence post war.