Texas Teachers all riled up

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:34 pm

Fife wrote:It's getting close to the time to revise the pat answer about the impact of the French Revolution; i.e., "it's too soon to tell."

Let's us all go down to the tennis court and hash it out.

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Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:35 pm

The trend I've seen is to reject everything I ever learned, and believe in the new version of history.

It's the sort of story where western expansion by pioneering Americans is just a racist myth.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:37 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:The trend I've seen is to reject everything I ever learned, and believe in the new version of history.

It's the sort of story where western expansion by pioneering Americans is just a racist myth.

Part of why I argue we actually are entering a dark age right now.

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Post by Zero » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:46 pm

Fascinating stuff in the derailment, and as interesting as it is for y’all to trot out the anti-education pablum, the initial OP about a coalition of moderate Republicans, centrists, and Democrats trying to adequately fund education in the face of radical Teapublicans trying to be the firemarshall and the arsonist at the same time will be fun to watch.

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Post by Penner » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:14 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:Remember that video the other week where the school superintendent voted for his own pay increase and then threw out the teacher who objected to it?

That's the sort of thing people think about when people say the schools need more money.
Kind of failed if that was an attacked towards public school teachers. Also, that kind of things kind of also happen at private schools as well. Are you really that brainwashed to believe that won't happen at a private school?
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Post by Zero » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:16 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:From nine years ago:

Among teachers we surveyed 56% were Democrats, 36% Republicans, and 8% independents.

For other state employees it was 56% Democrats, 33% Republicans, and 10% independents.


http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com ... e.html?m=1



I would not expect that to improve. More likely, an even more solid shift Democrat.

Still, it was less Democrat than I expected, but still a solid Democrat voting base for sure.

Hold up. That poll is on Bev Purdue? Isn’t that a governor from one of the Carolinas?

I went to that site and couldn’t find a similar poll on party affiliation for Texas teachers. I’ll leep looking, though.
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Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:34 pm

Penner wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Remember that video the other week where the school superintendent voted for his own pay increase and then threw out the teacher who objected to it?

That's the sort of thing people think about when people say the schools need more money.
Kind of failed if that was an attacked towards public school teachers. Also, that kind of things kind of also happen at private schools as well. Are you really that brainwashed to believe that won't happen at a private school?
It didn't because it wasn't. It also doesn't also happen in any other industry at anything close to the extent that it does in government.

No private school that failed so miserably to educate students on the level that public schools do would ever last without mandated public funding.

Fucking laughable for you to accuse someone of being brainwashed, fakenewsbot.
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Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:36 pm

You need basic understanding to lead to comprehension to lead to analysis to lead to synthesis to lead to evaluation and creation. It doesn't work like you seem to be suggesting. I know what the shtick or idea is and it doesn't work. Having "access" to information essentially means fuck all to comprehension or application or "critical thinking".
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Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:42 pm

Zero wrote:Fascinating stuff in the derailment, and as interesting as it is for y’all to trot out the anti-education pablum, the initial OP about a coalition of moderate Republicans, centrists, and Democrats trying to adequately fund education in the face of radical Teapublicans trying to be the firemarshall and the arsonist at the same time will be fun to watch.

:hat tip:
You can't just trot out the adequate funding canard if what you're asking me to fund is a failed system.
In this paper, we present an overlapping generations model with heterogeneous agents in which human capital investment through formal schooling is the engine of growth. We use simple functional forms for preferences, technologies, and income distribution to highlight the distinction between economies with public education and those with private education. We find that income inequality declines more quickly under public education. On the other hand, private education yields greater per capita incomes unless the initial income inequality is sufficiently high. We also find that societies will choose public education if a majority of agents have incomes below average.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/a ... 086/261841
Production studies that have examined the relative performance of students in private and public schools typically find that the average student achievement in private schools exceeds that of the average student in public schools. The relatively small enrollment of students in private schools seriously limits policy predictions concerning the effects of vouchers and other policy reforms in the United States. The institutional arrangements for providing and funding schooling vary greatly across countries. This article examines these arrangements in five countries. Using a data set that measures achievement in mathematics, empirical results show that public funding and its subsequent effect of expanded enrollment in the private sector do not erase the superior performance of private schools relative to public ones. Government restrictions on private schools' decision-making powers can negate the superior performance of private schools.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/a ... 086/467345
The author summarizes the literature on the relative performance of public and private schools over the past decade and assesses what we have learned from these studies. Although many questions remain unanswered, the author concludes that private schooling — in particular, Catholic schooling — can raise graduation rates. In addition, the author finds that minority students in large cities have the most to gain from private schooling.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=1023730
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Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:42 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:You need basic understanding to lead to comprehension to lead to analysis to lead to synthesis to lead to evaluation and creation. It doesn't work like you seem to be suggesting. I know what the shtick or idea is and it doesn't work. Having "access" to information essentially means fuck all to comprehension or application or "critical thinking".
Who are you responding to, and what statements?
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