Daniel Shaver shooting

[nmoore63]

What was wrong with the orders? The lady seemed to pull it off ok.

I'm not a cop or a soldier.
I could be wrong.
Again, if there is training that says you do this, I accept that as his defense.

But my understanding is, mimum orders to get secure, once in secure, stop giving orders and lock it the fuck down.

The dude was prone with arms outstretch. Send in the other guy and cuff him.

The dude likely got shot because his pants slipped and he instinctively went to pull them up.

Everyone gets, on the ground, hands outstretched.

Everyone can fuck up anything else.

[Speaker to Animals]

We live in a society where innocent people are shot dead by psychopathic cops for failing ridiculous Simon Says games, and a lot of folks will defend the cop.

Innocent people should not die for failing Simon Says, especially when the instructions are absurdly difficult to accomplish.

Feel free to respond to the random guy waving guns out windows calls and we’ll see how you do.

The instructions were clear and easy to understand. They weren’t followed.

We don't know if that even happened. All we know is that somebody claim he waved a rifle out the window to the front desk, and he happened to have a pellet gun for his pest control business.

People should not be gunned down because they cannot physically accomplish a crazy Simon Says exercise, and somebody complaining about "guns these days means exactly jack shit.

[DBTrek]

The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mesa-polic ... ing-video/

[Speaker to Animals]

He was unable to crawl on his knees while keeping his hands raised and his feet crossed. Therefore he had to die.

[nmoore63]

Once the guy started crawling towards them and being sketchy with what he was doing with his hands, reasonable doubt as to malicious intent, "poorly executed takedown" would be manslaughter nor murder.

sure.

That's why we have trained professionals, cause regular fucks will fuck it up.

On the ground, hands outstretched, hold till, cuff.

The fucking moron cop, wanted him to have his hands raised like a fucking moron. Don't put people long term into things that require their muscles to actively do stuff. Whether he was malacious or just having a panic attack.

Unacceptable.

[Smitty-48]

He reached behind his back twice, gun in the belt style, first time; cop said "you do that again, we will shoot you", then he did it again.

[nmoore63]

He reached behind his back twice, first time; cop said "you do that again, we will shoot you", then he did again.

Because the officer put in him a position he shouldn't have.

Leave him on the ground, hands outstretched.

Officer is who demanded he be able to control himself and carry out actions, beyond "on the ground" "hands outstretched"

Unacceptable.

[DBTrek]

Unacceptable.

It is unacceptable, thus he’s not a cop anymore.
The jury says it wasn’t a crime, so we might wonder why they think that. I doubt it’s because the jury loves murderous cops, so there’s probably another rationale.

[Smitty-48]

Unacceptable.

Unacceptable, and mens rea for murder, not the same thing.

[nmoore63]

I have no issue holding trained professionals to a professional standard.

If a boeing commerical airplane goes down because engineering error and people die, the engineer goes to prison.

I have no issue holding cops to the same professional standard.

The officer achieved 0% threat. The officer took him back into potential threat. Unacceptable.