Gen. Ripper Was Right; Your Sperm Count Sucks

[heydaralon]

A reduction in fertility creates social and economic disorder as you have more old people than young, more people in need of support than people to work towards supporting them, and so on.

Worse, it creates a decline in human capital, which means we are less able to innovate technological solutions to the problems facing us, which for us in the 2050s are likely to be immense.

Millennials I think might have trouble seeing this trend, but everybody Gen X and older has seen our world getting increasingly more fucked up as our lives progressed. Sure, we had the Cold War and the Sword of Damocles hanging over our heads with respect to nuclear war with the Soviet Union, but even that wasn't really as huge a technical problem as the collapse of capitalism, environmental change and degradation, all the ills of globalization, and even the peak oil that looms over our near future. We are going to need very complex solutions to highly technical problems that few men really understand in the first place. But we will have so much fewer men that are capable of it, that I suspect these problems not get solved.

Most technological innovation is produced by men in their thirties and forties. It's always been this way. Just looking at the total population decline doesn't even begin to illustrate how bad this demographic winter could be for us, because it's looking at the total population, and not in particular the eventual minuscule numbers of men in their thirties and forties who possess the aptitude for STEM studies (which already is a small fraction of the male population).

Add into that the increasing feminization of males, the demonization of masculinity, and even the cultural marxist ambition to drive men out of STEM altogether.. shit's going to get real, son. These marxists have no idea what bed they are making for themselves.

If the population keeps growing and stuff keeps getting automated, this could lead to a huge problem too dude. Not to mention, there have been plenty of times in history where a drastic reduction in people led to an overall benefit. The bubonic plague survivors had far better lives after. A mass die off like that is grotesque, so I'm not advocating any kind of Mao solution to overpopulation, but surely less reproduction is a more humane way to deal with the problem. As long as we cut down on immigration and deport illegals, I think we can mitigate some of the damage to our society. As an aside, India has over a billion people. Nigeria has 186 million. There's not a lot of good stuff coming out of those countries. I think ratcheting up the population in the hope that we will innovate our way out of the problems caused by overpopulation is kind of a trap.

Oh, I agree. I have been talking about this for a while.

I am not opposed to letting the population reduce naturally (in a moral way) in principle. My problem with it is that, if we really want to plan this, we need to start working NOW. We need to get the foreigners out of our nations or they will just replace us and take our nations from us. We need to start working towards solving the big problems that we will face even fifty years from now because there will exist a period in which most of our technical human capital will work just to support the aging population. After that happens.. great. As long as we have the automated economy when that day arrives. But between now and the demographic winter, we actually have a great deal of work to do. We need to solve those problems right now while we have massive amounts of human capital that we won't have a few generations hence.

I think a good start to getting rid of illegals would be figuring out how to cheaply automate agricultural work. Once you convince companies that its cheaper to use a robot than a person, a lot of those folks won't have work and there will be no reason for them to stay.

[heydaralon]

This might sound draconian, but I also don't think that kids from illegals in the US should be allowed to stay here. If you want to become a US citizen, you need to have legal parents. We should also be far more restrictive with visas and work permits. Get rid of H1B as well.

[TheReal_ND]

Birth right citizenship should go. This isn't even controversial in germany ffs. I think England does it now though not sure.

[Speaker to Animals]

This might sound draconian, but I also don't think that kids from illegals in the US should be allowed to stay here. If you want to become a US citizen, you need to have legal parents. We should also be far more restrictive with visas and work permits. Get rid of H1B as well.

I agree. I think they should go back to their home countries. I think we should pursue policies that make it clear that none of these people will be welcome here any longer.

We don't need immigrants. We haven't needed them for decades now. It's time to stop.

[heydaralon]

The replacement rate is a little over 2 births per kid right? If it went from 2 down to 1.8 in a generation, and gradually got lower, couldn't you deal easier with the growing aging population without becoming overburdened?

[Speaker to Animals]

The replacement rate is a little over 2 births per kid right? If it went from 2 down to 1.8 in a generation, and gradually got lower, couldn't you deal easier with the growing aging population without becoming overburdened?

Yes. It's not impossible to reduce the population.

The thing is.. our population only ever boomed because we invented modern medicine and extended lifespans. We didn't actually add more people. In fact, our fertility rate has been dropping since the late 19th century.


People approach this issue with false assumptions that were engendered by marxist propaganda about "population bombs" and how white people are killing Mother Earth and need to be bred out. The reality is that we only have more people because more people are living longer, and it's relatively rare for babies to die.

[TheReal_ND]

and how white people are killing Mother Earth and need to be bred out.

A fucking clear and obvious fallacy. White people are the only people with the time preference to take care of nature. Adolf fucking loved it. All of germany loves it. I simply say; let this premise stand for the purpose of slowing down overly fertile inferior races. We need not huge population booms, and much less population boom replacements. If you care for the environment, surely you can see the folly in the "peoples are interchangeable and borders are racist" meme.

[Okeefenokee]

Back-in-the-day, when women were in charge of house-n-home, and men brought in the paycheck, there was a kind of Alpha equality. Nowadays, women still rule the roost but men have no sanctuary. It's a woman's world now; why do you think so many men wish to be referred to as women.

That's why I never got on board with the whole man cave horseshit. Hen pecked men being exiled to the basement or garage, and consoling themselves by calling it a man cave. Horse shit.

This whole house is my cave.

[Okeefenokee]

You are pretty beta in outlook and mentality, man. Just having shit that works is not what we are talking about here.

If you had command of your shit you wouldn't be three kids into a woman you don't really like.

shots fired.

[heydaralon]

In all honesty, traffic is really where over half of my hatred of population growth comes from.