CS314 - Unhealthy Numbers

[Hwen Hoshino]

It's only the most important service, other than food production.

It does not define a country unless you do a Pol Pot against all doctors.

Well, outside of the ideologies and politics, what does an individual citizen actually need from a large society?

Food Production
Medical Care
Security
Infrastructure (transportation, supply)

Everything else is just extras and consumer goods.

Of course, if you count water supply as infrastructure, then it's number 2.

Societies have some in common, the differences make Switzerland Switzerland and Congo Congo.

[Martin Hash]

Trump's 2005 Tax Returns were made public on MSNBC, (probably secretly released by Trump himself). They show he made several hundred million dollars that year and paid 25% taxes. Bill Maher thought that was "respectable." Fuck Bill Maher, and fuck Donald Trump's 25% tax rate. Self-employed people who make less than $20K a year pay 20%, Trump should have been paying 50%! Why The Poor & The Middle Class are carrying this nation while the 1% get all the breaks is criminal. Our regressive taxes are a travesty.

p.s. "Regressive" taxes means ever-increasing disparity in wealth. "Progressive" taxation means redistribution for balanced wealth.

[Speaker to Animals]

But even Trump thinks the tax rate on the 1% should be much higher.

[Martin Hash]

But even Trump thinks the tax rate on the 1% should be much higher.

Damn, when did we start thinking alike? (Weren't you just calling me a weenie a week or so ago?)

[MilSpecs]

Take heart and be of good cheer; that "end of life" spending jazz won't trouble your state's budget much longer.


"Quality of Life" is a public good in the modern world, you see. All will be provided in return for modest contributions from the 99%.

Not much quality of life in a lot of end-of-life care. Tubes feeding you, hooked up to a ventilator, unable to tell anyone if you're actually conscious and suffering. (shudder) In-home hospice should be a much larger part of our end-of-life care.

[Martin Hash]

Take heart and be of good cheer; that "end of life" spending jazz won't trouble your state's budget much longer.

"Quality of Life" is a public good in the modern world, you see. All will be provided in return for modest contributions from the 99%.

Not much quality of life in a lot of end-of-life care. Tubes feeding you, hooked up to a ventilator, unable to tell anyone if you're actually conscious and suffering. (shudder) In-home hospice should be a much larger part of our end-of-life care.

Agreed.

Really, the only part of healthcare that is broken is the profit-motive part (because healthcare is a monopoly). All the trouble we're having goes directly back to the bottom line of major corporations.

[ssu]

Really, the only part of healthcare that is broken is the profit-motive part (because healthcare is a monopoly). All the trouble we're having goes directly back to the bottom line of major corporations.

When health care is a business where the objective is profit and where the corporations write the laws, then no wonder you have a more lousy system that is far far FAR more expensive.

But if you are afraid of socialism...

That even government run welfare systems are more efficient, then truly system is totally broken.

Anyway, nice show from Dan. Of course, the numbers Dan is telling are well known facts for anyone who has looked at the comparisons.

And Dan says it how it was: the stakeholders who have a good profit thing going, and Obama had to have them with new bill, then no wonder how reform didn't happen.

Nice touch that he remembers his forum.

And nice that people here remember Dan too.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Take heart and be of good cheer; that "end of life" spending jazz won't trouble your state's budget much longer.


"Quality of Life" is a public good in the modern world, you see. All will be provided in return for modest contributions from the 99%.

Not much quality of life in a lot of end-of-life care. Tubes feeding you, hooked up to a ventilator, unable to tell anyone if you're actually conscious and suffering. (shudder) In-home hospice should be a much larger part of our end-of-life care.

I think anyone would agree with that, but it would have to be subsidized.

Also, we can't make the assumption that everyone has surviving children, who are able to provide that care. It's not easy. At all.

[Fife]

Take heart and be of good cheer; that "end of life" spending jazz won't trouble your state's budget much longer.


"Quality of Life" is a public good in the modern world, you see. All will be provided in return for modest contributions from the 99%.

Not much quality of life in a lot of end-of-life care. Tubes feeding you, hooked up to a ventilator, unable to tell anyone if you're actually conscious and suffering. (shudder) In-home hospice should be a much larger part of our end-of-life care.

I think anyone would agree with that, but it would have to be subsidized.

Also, we can't make the assumption that everyone has surviving children, who are able to provide that care. It's not easy. At all.

Yes, it's obviously much better that the "quality of life" be parceled out by the state.

This master planning is really hard! It's prolly best to let the really really smart folk work it out for the rest of us.

[Fife]

But even Trump thinks the tax rate on the 1% should be much higher.

Damn, when did we start thinking alike? (Weren't you just calling me a weenie a week or so ago?)

Hardcore central planning will always bring a bunch of people back to you broHash. Patience is a good strategy, IMNSHO.