The Left Does not Reason

[BjornP]

The thief thinks all men steal.

The hysterical rioting mobs have, like so many others these days, isolated themselves completely within online and RL social bubbles where the EXTREME DANGER DANGER!!! (TM) of anyone voting for Trump is reinforced on a daily basis. It is logic on their part... but the sort of logic where several of the premises are wrong.

Those, specific, particular individuals engaged in the actual, specific rioting are naturally responsible for their own actions. They did so because they've hyped themselves up on irrational fear of anyone on the right, largely because they have no clue what the right actually believe or what little they do know they believe is subjected to extreme strawmanning. When you're a whiny, frightened person who thinks society's bout to end... no matter the actual reality, you're naturally going to freak out. Where have seen that behavior before...?

Pretending that that is just a leftist thing.. Dear god. The most pathetic paranoia, strawmanning, hyperbole and hysteria about the impending doom of all of civilized world on the DCF this last year and untill now has not come from the left by any stretch of the imagination. Everyone knows who the most fearful person who sees boogeymen everywhere on this site is. I'm not the only one to point out that Americans in general have gotten more fearful. Here's a more in-depth look at the trend.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/fo ... essed.html

Is the violence the same on the left as on the right now? Nope. Had Clinton won, would Trump supporters have taken to the streets calling for revolution against an "illegitimate" president? Well, some of them have claimed they would. I consider the odds of that actually occuring close to nil, though.

[Speaker to Animals]

We're not demonizing the right.

Trump won the presidency on the basis of justifiable frustration with the current state of the nation. Frustration with mainstream candidates on both sides of the duopoly, the poor results of international treaties and globalization for the average american citizen and disdain for the values of those who seek to cast blanket "oppressor" status without nuance or thought.

Those who support Trump now have the opportunity to lead and see where they can take the nation and the world.

What do they have to riot about anyways?

That is some horse shit, man.

You did attempt to make a false equivalence fallacy (along with several others) to obfuscate blame for this wave of terroristic violence perpetrated by the left. Other posters challenged you to provide evidence for the assertion that "both sides are doing this", and you failed to back your assertion up. You failed because you know damned well there are no alt-right riots. You also know damned well the republican party does not actively fund riots and violence against American citizens like the democratic party does.

There exists NO EQUIVALENCE.


Then you proceeded to shift the blame over to us, saying it's all our responsibility to set an example. We did that. For eight years, we sat there and took the endless shit shoveled upon us by the Obama administration. This is why there exists a President Trump today. At no point did we set cities on fire, dawn masks and attack innocent people, including women, or try to murder people with metal poles. We did not chase you guys down in airports and beat you unconscious while chanting bullshit like "love trumps hate".

My God can you people be any more oblivious to your collective shitty behavior?

[Smitty-48]

The Right is inherently, by its very nature, not riotous, the Left does; Demonstrations, the Right does; Rallies, the Left does; Riots, the Right does; Talk Radio.

Only the Left is under the delusion that there is a path to legislate from the streets, but since there isn't actually, the Right simply wouldn't bother.

If the Right is ever driven to use force, there's not going to be any messing about, they will simply stage a coup de tat.

[jbird4049]

The Right is inherently, by its very nature, not riotous, the Left does; Demonstrations, the Right does; Rallies, the Left does; Riots, the Right does; Talk Radio.

Only the Left is under the delusion that there is a path to legislate from the streets, but since there isn't actually, the Right simply wouldn't bother.

If the Right is ever driven to use force, there's not going to be any messing about, they will simply stage a coup de tat.

Please keep in mind that all this armchair chitchat is oversimplifying everything into a near useless discussion. What we call the Left, and the Right, is not some monolithic group of people. And history is full of counter examples of whatever we use to as criteria to identify, and describe, them.

Now for the original oversimplified answer to the previous oversimplification:

Which also means that the Right tends to be more organized, more disciplined, more as part of the elite, the military, the government, big business, big finance, the law, the police. They usually have the tools of control, which includes violence, already, and they control from the top down.

The Left is more chaotic, undisciplined, is concerned about the weaker, non-elites, and usually their power arises from the bottom up, with the leadership usually coming from somewhere in the educated middle.

[Smitty-48]

The Left is simply suffering from arrested development, regardless of their age, they are adolescents, they are permitted to have an adolescent tantrum, because the Right is permitting it, should the Right ever actually determine that this is a threat, then said adolescent tantrum would simply be dissapeared into an extrajudicial black hole never to be heard from again.

It is not Salvador Allende & Co, so there is no actual cause for concern, however, should it ever become Salvador Allende & Co, as with Salvador Allende & Co, that will be the last mistake it ever makes.

[jbird4049]

We're not demonizing the right.

Trump won the presidency on the basis of justifiable frustration with the current state of the nation. Frustration with mainstream candidates on both sides of the duopoly, the poor results of international treaties and globalization for the average american citizen and disdain for the values of those who seek to cast blanket "oppressor" status without nuance or thought.

Those who support Trump now have the opportunity to lead and see where they can take the nation and the world.

What do they have to riot about anyways?

That is some horse shit, man.

You did attempt to make a false equivalence fallacy (along with several others) to obfuscate blame for this wave of terroristic violence perpetrated by the left. Other posters challenged you to provide evidence for the assertion that "both sides are doing this", and you failed to back your assertion up. You failed because you know damned well there are no alt-right riots. You also know damned well the republican party does not actively fund riots and violence against American citizens like the democratic party does.

There exists NO EQUIVALENCE.


Then you proceeded to shift the blame over to us, saying it's all our responsibility to set an example. We did that. For eight years, we sat there and took the endless shit shoveled upon us by the Obama administration. This is why there exists a President Trump today. At no point did we set cities on fire, dawn masks and attack innocent people, including women, or try to murder people with metal poles. We did not chase you guys down in airports and beat you unconscious while chanting bullshit like "love trumps hate".

My God can you people be any more oblivious to your collective shitty behavior?

If you do not want to see, you will not see.

There are violent knuckleheads sprinkled across the political spectrum.

And the reason Trump is President is because Clinton, God bless her crooked Neo-Liberal Heart managed to defeat an actual reformer, while the jokers that were the Neo-Considerative crooks were defeated by Trump. Liberals, and Conservatives, Democratic, and Republican, members basically thought fuck it, and voted against their betters in the political establishment. It was suppose to be either Jeb Bush, or Hilary Clinton, as President, because our beloved Elites chose them.

As for violence, I could bring up the suppression of Occupy Wall Street, the current fun at Standing Rock, the Oklahoma City Bombing. Of course, those protestors were considered liberal, and they peacefully the challenged state's pocketbook, so they were/are crushed by the police, national guard, and the FBI. The Timothy McVeigh was a radicalized righty who saw some of the government's transgressions, but decided to kill innocent office workers, and children. The ruling class is using the tools of the state to suppress the people.

[JohnDonne]

The left certainly reasons. They reason they're living under Hitler. However, I cannot reason with them because they have failed to give me reasonable reasons to accept their reasoning.

If alt-rightists reason that the left is now a terrorist something or other, while weeping on youtube about hipster faggots breaking windows, then this too I cannot reason with. For the desire to become a man-baby is strong, but once in full man-baby mode, there is seldom a path back.

[DrYouth]

The left certainly reasons. They reason they're living under Hitler. However, I cannot reason with them because they have failed to give me reasonable reasons to accept their reasoning.

If alt-rightists reason that the left is now a terrorist something or other, while weeping on youtube about hipster faggots breaking windows, then this too I cannot reason with. For the desire to become a man-baby is strong, but once in full man-baby mode, there is seldom a path back.

[jbird4049]

The Left is simply suffering from arrested development, regardless of their age, they are adolescents, they are permitted to have an adolescent tantrum, because the Right is permitting it, should the Right ever actually determine that this is a threat, then said adolescent tantrum would simply be dissapeared into an extrajudicial black hole never to be heard from again.

It is not Salvador Allende & Co, so there is no actual cause for concern, however, should it ever become Salvador Allende & Co, as with Salvador Allende & Co, that will be the last mistake it ever makes.

Nice sophistry. Screw the laws, I have guns.

That is what happened to Allende. Pinochet, along with the American government, did not like having a leftist government, so treason, murder, rape, kidnappings, torture, and assassinations was needed. I guess the Disappeared were a just payment for the Chileans' protection. A form of protection money you could call it.

I do not like it when people who called themselves leftists, or conservatives, seem fine with such acts, because something something evil bad. Once you start delegitimizing, dehumanizing others, and legitimizing murder, or any other forms of violence, you have probably damn yourself. You certainly have crippled, if not destroyed what you wish to have. We have laws, rules, customs for because it what separates us from monsters, it what protects people from the state, and the state from the mob.

Have you noticed that the law as a basis for justice is almost a sick joke in my country? Most people are worse then they were the year before. If they were not, they children almost certainly. The government, the law, business are all more corrupt. Most people are good, and almost all do not want violence, but the peaceful means to change that could prevent it are actively blocked, and people being tricked into hatred of the designated other. If you have money though, life is sweet.

So while you are reminding me that power comes from a barrel of a gun, think on that. 300+ million people with over 300+ guns are getting more frustrated, less likely to accept the system's ability for peaceful change. There are militia groups mainly on the right, but they exist among liberals too. Hardly anyone thought Donald J. Trump, the Orange One, would become President. Bernie Sanders came damn close to being President. The wood laid in, the kindling is being placed, the tinder is being gathered, and now all we need is the spark.

[Smitty-48]

Nice sophistry. Screw the laws, I have guns.

You know what I love most about the overthrow of Allende? There are many aspects of course, including the fact that Allende thought that Pinochet was his man, and that he would have Pinochet to impose his agenda on the population by force, sweet irony is that, but by far and away, the most delicious moment, is when Allende realizes that Pinochet is not in fact coming to save him, but rather in fact coming to depose him, and so Allende turns to his cadre and says "tell the workers to prepare to fight!", and his lieutenants say "but Senor Presidente, you instituted the strict gun control laws, so we took all the guns away, they cannot fight the army, because they have no arms!"

Delightful.