New Findings of Nazi Mass Murder Graves

[jbird4049]

As to the OP story, interesting find Penner. While the Nazis were good record keepers, the number of mass murders committed along and across the Eastern front that took place in woods, fields or other non-"processing" sites, are unlikely to have been recorded as meticulously.

I haven't looked at it, but there was killing coming from the Germans, Red Army, Soviet Partisans, and Independent Partisans. The whole eastern front was a clusterfuck of killing.

No kidding. I've done some reading, a little light research, I want to get serious, but it's rather like what StA said about his listening to the Martymade podcast.

My mind goes bye bye, I'm turning off now.

It's like sanity, never mind decency also went bye bye for the whole area.

The part I cannot handle is where many of the Cathedrals Poles go full genocide on their Jewish neighbors, while they too are being enslaved, and effectively slowly exterminated, by the Germans at the same time.

Or read about how German Police units full of staid middle aged men slowly morph from having nightmares from shooting some unarmed groups of civilian men via firing squad to being just fine individually shooting by themselves, not as part of a squad, men, women, children, babies in the head all day long.

The officers could have refused to do so. Performing mass murder in an Einsatzgruppen usually was voluntary, or least be safely refused. But almost none of them refused.

[Okeefenokee]

As to the OP story, interesting find Penner. While the Nazis were good record keepers, the number of mass murders committed along and across the Eastern front that took place in woods, fields or other non-"processing" sites, are unlikely to have been recorded as meticulously.

I haven't looked at it, but there was killing coming from the Germans, Red Army, Soviet Partisans, and Independent Partisans. The whole eastern front was a clusterfuck of killing.

No kidding. I've done some reading, a little light research, I want to get serious, but it's rather like what StA said about his listening to the Martymade podcast.

My mind goes bye bye, I'm turning off now.

It's like sanity, never mind decency also went bye bye for the whole area.

The part I cannot handle is where many of the Cathedrals Poles go full genocide on their Jewish neighbors, while they too are being enslaved, and effectively slowly exterminated, by the Germans at the same time.

Or read about how German Police units full of staid middle aged men slowly morph from having nightmares from shooting some unarmed groups of civilian men via firing squad to being just fine individually shooting by themselves, not as part of a squad, men, women, children, babies in the head all day long.

The officers could have refused to do so. Performing mass murder in an Einsatzgruppen usually was voluntary, or least be safely refused. But almost none of them refused.

I got a set of bootleg dvds from haji in Iraq. It was BBC. Words can't describe the utter madness on the eastern front. The people living there had no way to choose what was right. On any given day, any group of armed men could come by, and you were fucked, no matter who it was.

[jbird4049]

I haven't looked at it, but there was killing coming from the Germans, Red Army, Soviet Partisans, and Independent Partisans. The whole eastern front was a clusterfuck of killing.

No kidding. I've done some reading, a little light research, I want to get serious, but it's rather like what StA said about his listening to the Martymade podcast.

My mind goes bye bye, I'm turning off now.

It's like sanity, never mind decency also went bye bye for the whole area.

The part I cannot handle is where many of the Cathedrals Poles go full genocide on their Jewish neighbors, while they too are being enslaved, and effectively slowly exterminated, by the Germans at the same time.

Or read about how German Police units full of staid middle aged men slowly morph from having nightmares from shooting some unarmed groups of civilian men via firing squad to being just fine individually shooting by themselves, not as part of a squad, men, women, children, babies in the head all day long.

The officers could have refused to do so. Performing mass murder in an Einsatzgruppen usually was voluntary, or least be safely refused. But almost none of them refused.

I got a set of bootleg dvds from haji in Iraq. It was BBC. Words can't describe the utter madness on the eastern front. The people living there had no way to choose what was right. On any given day, any group of armed men could come by, and you were fucked, no matter who it was.

That reminds me of this poem from the Thirty Years War

First came the Greycoats to eat all my swine,
Next came the Bluecoats to make my sons fight,
Next came the Greencoats to make my wife whore,
Next came the Browncoats to burn down my home.

I have not but my life, now come the Blackcoats to rob me of that.

[TheReal_ND]

Tell a lie. Make it big. I actually haven't watched all of the videos I linked here so I'm going through this one here. It's pretty fucking long tbh. I don't suppose anyone will even watch a half hour of it and let me know what they think unfortunately. Most of us are programmed to believe this shit whole heartedly because it's easy to dismiss as being pure evil. And don't get me wrong here, the Jews were persecuted I never denied that and you would have to be a retard to do so.
https://youtu.be/7dxsVSzL4HE

[TheReal_ND]

A report by Nikolai Politanow, one of the first Red Army soldiers and translator who entered Auschwitz-Birkenau. Translation provided by CrossMountian, posted on Reddit's History subreddit.

I was a translator at the front. Our forces had taken half of Poland. At New Years we reached Krakow. I interrogated German and Italian officers there, because I knew Italian and Polish besides Russian. I’ve learnt that from my mother and during school. We then got the order to push beyond the town and into the concentration camp Auschwitz. When our tanks reached the front gates of the KZ [KZ = Konzentrationslager; German for concentration camp] early on the 27th of january 1945, the guards had already caught wind and had fled. Only some remained, others had died by their own hands.

Nobody resisted. The front gate of the camp was locked. Our tank broke through. One truck after the other, full of soldiers, drove onto the camp site. Our soliders disembarked, disarmed the remaining guards of the camp and arrested them.

So we drove up to the extermination camp Birkenau.

Knowing the Red Army was closing in, the SS gave the boilermen (?) [people operating the ovens] the order, to throw the prisoners, who were already emaciated to the point of looking like skeleton, into the crematorium alive. They wanted to get rid of the sick and weakened to cover up their tracks as fast as possible.

The boilermen looked surprised to see us officers and soldiers. They were strong people, mostly Kapos [prisoners forced to work in the camps]. They greeted us with shy smiles on their faces, a mix of happiness and fear. Like on command, they threw away their poker. With us, they talked freely. Angry words about Hitler were spoken. I still remember an old boilermen stammer “Thank you”. “Thank you, friend. May I call you [the Russians] friends?”.

One of them, a Ukrainian, I asked: “Why did you do that?” and pointed towards the ovens. Without blinking he replied: “They didn’t ask if I wanted to. No, I didn’t want to. But better be the guy working the oven, then be the one burning. That’s why I did it.” I was speechless, could just shake my head. “Why aren’t the other ovens burning? There’s no smoke coming up the chimney”, I asked the guy. “Deconstructed”, he said.

Caught in our own thoughts, everyone just stood around. Nobody cared about the burning ovens. “Stop this. Out! All of you!”, the commanding officer Sergejew shouted. Outside, he was shaking and said with a stuttering voice: “How can this be in the midst of the 20th century! I can’t comprehend this. If there’d be a god, maybe he could explain how this all came to be.”

We visited the barracks and couldn’t believe our own eyes. Naked and groaning people, hardly looking like humans, were laying on straw bags. I touched one of the people laying there. He didn’t move. He wasn’t alive anymore.

In another barrack, a woman was dying. I asked if someone from her family was also in the camp. She said yes. Via speakers we tried to find her relatives and reunited the family. Shortly after, the woman died, although our doctors tried to save her.

After that we concentrated on the camp headquarters. In the hallway towards the office of the camp management I found a paper pinned to the wall which concerned me, too, since I’m slav. It said something along the lines of “Germans! We are the masters. Our interests are the only that matter. The reproduction of the slav people is not desired. Childlessness and abortian are to be encouraged. Education of slav children is unnecessary. If they can count up to 100, that’s sufficient. Those who can’t work, shall die.”

I translated the text for the others who just shook their heads. One teared it down. The offices were empty and chaotic so we went outside.
In the meantime our soldiers had gathered the female guards and brought them to us. “Should we…?”, asked a Corporal. “No, don’t do anything stupid”, the officer replied. “This is to be decided by the Ordnungstruppe” [something like 'commanding unit' or 'military police' perhaps; definitely a higher authority; can’t find a solid translation;].

“What does she have in her bag”, I asked another woman, since I saw how filled her bag was. A soldier grabbed into the bag. It was a brochure. The headline was “About the law to defend the hereditary health of the German people”. I took it, read some pages. Proof of being aryan, marriage prohibition, anglo-jewish plague … I took note of it and was shocked. People are still carrying these with them! [Nikolai Politanow is suprised that these people still carry things that will be used as evidence against them.]

“Are you all Aryan women?”, I asked. They give me a cold look. “I don’t know”, one of them replied. We laughed. “Where are the camp doctors?”, I asked. “Not here, ran off”. “And the male prisoners, where are they? I haven’t seen a single man. What is this all about?”. “A week ago they’ve been escorted out of the camp. Probably relocated to Majdanek or Treblinka”, she replied. I tore the brochure into pieces and threw it onto the piles of garbage.

Until evening, many reporters had arrived. Nonstop buzzing and flashing cameras everywhere inside and ouside the barracks. We had to learn one step after the other that Auschwitz was a central selection camp. Jewish people were selected for forced labour or death in the gas chambers. The immediate extermination by jews who were unable to work was expressly insisted upon.

The field kitchens arrived soon. Nearly at the same time, the Ordnungstruppe and surprisingly high ranking officers from the staff of Rokossowski and Konjew showed up. Medics distributed sheets and clothing to the prisoners. To prevent the prisoners from eating snow, soldiers distributed tea and bread to the nearly starved skeletons. In the meantime, military trucks had arrived. Around midnight, all prisoners were taken out of the camp. Those still able to walk had no patience to wait and had already taken off by foot towards Sosnowitz. The only remaining people were Kapos and guards. Those were immediatly ordered to dig up mass graves outside the camp and to bury the dead bodies there. Floodlights and generators had already been put in place.

The camp was now empty and it was as silent as a monastery. Some torches were lighting the ground here and there. We had to leave, since we are a combat unit assigned to the front. We caught up to the rest of our unit in Sosnowitz, approximatly 15 kilometer east of Kattowitz.

Try minute 2:48 or so that should pop here and let me know what you think
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... dxsVSzL4HE
If you respond I'll write my analysis of your excellent post on the WMD fiasco but I'm warning you right now it's going to involve some Jews.

[TheReal_ND]

Also bear in mind you should count yourself lucky to view these videos.

[de officiis]

And don't get me wrong here, the Jews were persecuted I never denied that ...

So, what is it that you deny?

[BjornP]

As to the OP story, interesting find Penner. While the Nazis were good record keepers, the number of mass murders committed along and across the Eastern front that took place in woods, fields or other non-"processing" sites, are unlikely to have been recorded as meticulously.

I haven't looked at it, but there was killing coming from the Germans, Red Army, Soviet Partisans, and Independent Partisans. The whole eastern front was a clusterfuck of killing.

Hell, it was a clusterfuck of killing even before Hitler tore up the deal he had with Stalin to divide Poland between them. Katyn massacre? Stalins many other internal purges? The Soviets were better at erasing someone and something from history, though. The Nazis would have known that their mass murders of the sick, and the sexually, religiously and racially undesirables would have been met with some international condemnation, but they didn't try and destroy their records untill the very end.

[Ex-California]

Rule #1: Youtube videos are not a valid source

[TheReal_ND]

Rule #1: Youtube videos are not a valid source

He's literally using books and filming the books with a highliter on top of digging up actual holocoaster victims filmed testimonies. Stop being an autist.