Obama bans oil drilling 'permanently' in millions of acres of ocean

[Smitty-48]

About the protected coral regions, the main prohibition is in the Arctic where Obama and Trudeau have made a joint agreement.

Note; it's not a permanent ban in Canada, it's just rhetorical on our side, there's no formal treaty, it could be reversed at any time, like as soon as it becomes profitable.

[Montegriffo]

If you want to slow down fossil fuel consumption, the invent economical electric automobile and train engines. Give us vehicles on par with fossil fuel-based automobiles -- i.e. they should have decent performance and ranges over 300 miles. They should cost about the same.

That's the way to do it right there. We have one corporation trying to do it already, but costs are really high.

You can't solve this with your leftist, totalitarian instincts to control everybody. You have to do it economically.

I agree, reduction in energy demands is the way forwards. Cars are a small part of it though, much more CO2 is produced by industry and heating and cooling homes. A cut in fossil fuel extraction will speed up clean energy much better than any other tactic. High oil prices are a good thing for the environment. When it's cheaper to travel by train people will leave their cars at home with added benefits of cleaner air and less congestion.

[Montegriffo]

About the protected coral regions, the main prohibition is in the Arctic where Obama and Trudeau have made a joint agreement.

Note; it's not a permanent ban in Canada, it's just rhetorical on our side, there's no formal treaty, it could be reversed at any time, like as soon as it becomes profitable.

A review after 5 years minimum is how I understand it.

[TheReal_ND]

If you want to slow down fossil fuel consumption, the invent economical electric automobile and train engines. Give us vehicles on par with fossil fuel-based automobiles -- i.e. they should have decent performance and ranges over 300 miles. They should cost about the same.

That's the way to do it right there. We have one corporation trying to do it already, but costs are really high.

You can't solve this with your leftist, totalitarian instincts to control everybody. You have to do it economically.

I agree, reduction in energy demands is the way forwards. Cars are a small part of it though, much more CO2 is produced by industry and heating and cooling homes. A cut in fossil fuel extraction will speed up clean energy much better than any other tactic. High oil prices are a good thing for the environment. When it's cheaper to travel by train people will leave their cars at home with added benefits of cleaner air and less congestion.

Electricity is not an energy source. Nuclear power is. We don't have to build them on fault lines like Japan did either we can put them somewhere that's perfectly remote and power all that shit. We have the engineering and for now we still have the cultural IQ to man these things. This is the answer.

[Montegriffo]

Yeah, but is Trump going to go to court for the right to drill in expensive and environmentally fragile areas?
Depends how much he is in debt to the oil barons I suppose, maybe that's why he wants to drain the swamp so his oil buddies can drill in it more easily....

He doesn't have to go to court unless he is taken to court for performing the duties of his elected office. They are going to have to sue him because he isn't following tradition not because he is breaking a law. They do their best to conflate the two but they are not the same things.

No, he is using a 1950's law which will have to be overturned in the courts. It's not an executive order.

[Smitty-48]

About the protected coral regions, the main prohibition is in the Arctic where Obama and Trudeau have made a joint agreement.

Note; it's not a permanent ban in Canada, it's just rhetorical on our side, there's no formal treaty, it could be reversed at any time, like as soon as it becomes profitable.

A review after 5 years minimum is how I understand it.

Rhetorical, Parliamentary Supremacy can review at any time, and reverse at any time, it's just Trudeau grandstanding for the Seal Huggers, there's nothing in this agreement which binds the Crown's hands.

[Montegriffo]

If you want to slow down fossil fuel consumption, the invent economical electric automobile and train engines. Give us vehicles on par with fossil fuel-based automobiles -- i.e. they should have decent performance and ranges over 300 miles. They should cost about the same.

That's the way to do it right there. We have one corporation trying to do it already, but costs are really high.

You can't solve this with your leftist, totalitarian instincts to control everybody. You have to do it economically.

I agree, reduction in energy demands is the way forwards. Cars are a small part of it though, much more CO2 is produced by industry and heating and cooling homes. A cut in fossil fuel extraction will speed up clean energy much better than any other tactic. High oil prices are a good thing for the environment. When it's cheaper to travel by train people will leave their cars at home with added benefits of cleaner air and less congestion.

Electricity is not an energy source. Nuclear power is. We don't have to build them on fault lines like Japan did either we can put them somewhere that's perfectly remote and power all that shit. We have the engineering and for now we still have the cultural IQ to man these things. This is the answer.

Plenty of renewable sources of energy too, wind, solar and tidal are all making good progress in Europe.

[Montegriffo]

Note; it's not a permanent ban in Canada, it's just rhetorical on our side, there's no formal treaty, it could be reversed at any time, like as soon as it becomes profitable.

A review after 5 years minimum is how I understand it.

Rhetorical, Parliamentary Supremacy can review at any time, and reverse at any time, it's just Trudeau grandstanding for the Seal Huggers, there's nothing in this agreement which binds the Crown's hands.

Lucky you have him in power for a few years yet then.

[Smitty-48]

A review after 5 years minimum is how I understand it.

Rhetorical, Parliamentary Supremacy can review at any time, and reverse at any time, it's just Trudeau grandstanding for the Seal Huggers, there's nothing in this agreement which binds the Crown's hands.

Lucky you have him in power for a few years yet then.

It's not profitable to take oil from that far north yet anyways, we'll get around to it eventually, but there's no rush at $50/barrel.

[TheReal_ND]

Plenty of renewable sources of energy too, wind, solar and tidal are all making good progress in Europe.

Solar is a dead end. The amount of solar panels you have to make to get a return on the amount of energy used to make them is ridiculous.

Nuclear.