President for Life

[Speaker to Animals]

[ooky]

Leftist dogma: “we’re not saying white people are bad, we’re just saying they’re steeped so deeply in their own evil whiteness they can’t see how unintentionally bad they actually are.”

My response: “Fuck yourselves, you idiot self loathers. Attaching a bunch of pseudo intellectual claptrap to your condescending, insulting, and racist views doesn’t make you any less repulsive.”

/shrug

That's not what I said, but yeah for the worst white people that is the case. And the real leftist dogma is yes you CAN learn to see what you are doing that is unintentionally racist, if you try and listen to people who would be the ones to actually know what it's like to be in a group where people assume left right and center, subtly and openly, that they are lower IQ.

Your response is adequately defensive and aggressive to prove my point on that aspect of white hypersensitivity around this conversation. The very fact that you assume any moment of a person learning or recognizing that they may have done something unintentionally racist equals loathing themselves shows you are not at all ready to have any sort of real dialog about it.

[K@th]

please cite your source for that quote.

[nmoore63]

Where I quickly get sent to Room 101 for re-education is I see structural racism, but think government efforts to force solve the puzzle are evil.

[ooky]

If these gaffes prove she is low IQ, then what the hell is Trump? She's got a big personality and not always a great mouth filter, but I thought that was totally cool now.

I can easily find multiple homage videos to post of totally kick ass moments she has had. Not sure what the point is. What I like about her is she very vocally and consistently stands up for women, for POC, for LGBTQ people, and stands up to Trump with a ferocity that should make Chuck Schumer feel bad.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/maxine-w ... -abortion/

We couldn’t find any record of Congresswoman Maxine Waters saying “I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion.”

The quote has been circulating the web since at least February 2001, and no official citation has ever been provided. Maxine Water’s quote on marching for abortion appears to have originated at a website that allows users to plug in inspirational or famous quotes and generate a picture to be printed or shared. These sites don’t require any attribution for quotes, and we couldn’t find any examples of when it had actually been provided

[SuburbanFarmer]

Ooky... you're one of the smartest posters on here. But you know that woman's an idiot.

I agree with all of your points, but Trump's insult wasn't racist, simply because she's black. You're extolling the virtues of hyper-sensitivity right now.

And why on earth would that be a "racist" gesture to dress her adopted kid as a monkey, if that's what he wanted to be for Halloween?? SHE'S RAISING HIM. She's obviously not a racist, and anyone taking offense would be a damned fool to think so.

It all goes to context. And yes, things you say or do to a black person may be racist, when saying the exact same thing to a white person would not be. Because of that context of what people of different races are exposed to that is not shared. Black people in this country have been compared to monkeys in unfavorable, racist ways historically. Just because that mom didn't actually KNOW that, and her racism was entirely unintentional, she meant absolutely no harm, and her self image in being a good mom to her adopted son is very heavily dependent on her not thinking she is a racist person (the kid was an infant, by the way, and didn't choose his costume) -- all of that still doesn't mean it's not racist. A clothing company recently put a catalog picture up with a black boy wearing a shirt that said happiest monkey in the jungle or some similar shit, and the response was so huge and swift that several people stopped advertising for them, boycotts were initiated, etc. So yes it is a "thing", and is widely considered straight up racist, and it is the job of that white mom to learn this stuff to be the best mom to her kid that she can be, even though she may feel uncomfortable at times.

Why do you assume that she didn't know that? Racism without intent to insult/harm is not racism. It's a faux pas, and nothing more. Hell, maybe she was even being clever, and did it as a joke.
It's considered 'straight up racist', because people are looking for things to be offended about. Why can't a black kid wear a shirt like that (monkey in the jungle)? Should they be avoiding any mention of primates, lest other black people be "offended"? They're just as closely related to apes as any other human beings.
This is the sort of thing that keeps the SJW machine running - pretending that any mention of a monkey around black people is racist. It's absurd, to say the least. If anything, it's incredibly pandering to think that any functioning adult in modern society is unaware of the old "monkey" sterotype about blacks.

When black people to tell white people, this is racist behavior/connotation/dog whistle, even if you didn't know before, now you do, and then white people tell them they are wrong, that's both stubborn and counter productive. We cannot tell black Americans their experience, that is the height of hubris. None of us white Americans will never know exactly what it is like to go through life in this country being black (or a person of color, period, but there is a special history for black americans that makes things especially bad for them). We can strive for maximum empathy, to understand as best we can, but that doesn't include, for example, just telling a black woman she is wrong to explain that a white person commenting on her hair is racist (yes this is also very much a thing and it makes total sense once you understand where they are coming from).

There is no reason to 'strive for maximum empathy'. These are adults. They don't need a hug or a tissue to cry into, they need respect. And the more they act like children about minor terminology, or incidental offenses, the more they isolate themselves from other adults. There is practically nothing 'holding back' a black person from achievement anymore. They're more likely to have started with a disadvantage, having grown up with abusive parents or such, but that could happen to anyone. That does not deserve special treatment for an entire group of people with that skin tone.

I think part of what the issue with race is in this country is that we all know racism exists. But we imagine it is perpetrated only by really bad people who hate other races. Yes, some of it comes from that, but much more of it is way more subtle, and enacted by honestly good people. Death by a thousand cuts stuff. A challenge to white people in America is to listen and try to learn when a person of color tells them something is racist without getting defensive and aggressive about the POC's inability to determine what they are experiencing- honestly i think that is the really widespread hypersensitivity.

Nobody wants to be called a monster. And that's the implied accusation made, over incidental nonsense.
The fact that a POC is calling someone a racist does not automatically mean that it is so. They can be just as wrong as anyone else. And most people don't have the time for a long heart-to-heart over whatever that person decided to be offended about, so they just walk away, or dismiss it.

I also have to say now I don't think Maxine Waters is an idiot. I haven't agreed with everything she ever said, but I also agree with her on a lot of stuff. And you can't beat her moxie. I think for a sitting president to say that about a sitting senator is disgraceful, and if he really thinks that he should back it up with exactly what he is talking about.

She is legitimately an idiot. She is the chair of the Financial Services Committee, and completely unfit for the job. Every year, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve gives testimony to the committee, and she spends her 3 minutes asking the same question every year - 'How are you helping black people?' That has absolutely nothing to do with the Fed, and never will. But every year, she does the same thing.

Add to that, a long record of feckless nonsense and race-baiting, and she is - legitimately - an idiot. Being a black woman has nothing to do with it, other than the fact that she parades it around to score political points.

[Speaker to Animals]

Found it here:

http://www.azquotes.com/author/21938-Maxine_Waters

[DBTrek]

When black people to tell white people, this is racist behavior/connotation/dog whistle, even if you didn't know before, now you do, and then white people tell them they are wrong, that's both stubborn and counter productive. We cannot tell black Americans their experience, that is the height of hubris.

There is no dialogue to be had. Your default position is “if a black person says it’s racist, and you’re white, then they’re right and you’re wrong.”

A dialogue involves two thinking parties, and you’ve proven right out of the gate that you can’t think on this issue. You can preach a simpletons message, and accuse people smarter than yourself of being defensive and unenlightened when they tell you to suck rocks, but you absolutely cannot have a dialogue.

So, as with most mindless zealots, I’ll sit back her cracking jokes and drawing attention to your absurd polemics - but don’t fool yourself into believing it’s because no one “is ready” for your fortune cookie message. It’s the same reason no one tries to counter-convert Jehovah Witnesses who show up at the door - No one is up for wasting time arguing with a fanatic.

So on your way, little “only blacks decide racism and they’re always right” fanatic. Take that message to another door, no one here is buying.

[Speaker to Animals]

If these gaffes prove she is low IQ, then what the hell is Trump? She's got a big personality and not always a great mouth filter, but I thought that was totally cool now.

I can easily find multiple homage videos to post of totally kick ass moments she has had. Not sure what the point is. What I like about her is she very vocally and consistently stands up for women, for POC, for LGBTQ people, and stands up to Trump with a ferocity that should make Chuck Schumer feel bad.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/maxine-w ... -abortion/

We couldn’t find any record of Congresswoman Maxine Waters saying “I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion.”

The quote has been circulating the web since at least February 2001, and no official citation has ever been provided. Maxine Water’s quote on marching for abortion appears to have originated at a website that allows users to plug in inspirational or famous quotes and generate a picture to be printed or shared. These sites don’t require any attribution for quotes, and we couldn’t find any examples of when it had actually been provided

Trump is at least an average IQ. Maxine Waters is obviously retarded, Ooky.

[K@th]

It all goes to context. And yes, things you say or do to a black person may be racist, when saying the exact same thing to a white person would not be. Because of that context of what people of different races are exposed to that is not shared.

I grant this point and accept it as reality.

There was a black guy I dated in the 80's; we worked together. One time we were clocking out on a Saturday, and I said, "next week I go back to white man's hours." He was horrified. I was utterly clueless.

There's a lot of those - nigger rigging, stuff like that. We've mostly caught them and are a TON better about it as a society.

Don't you see how it's getting out of control, though?

If a white woman wears hoop earrings, it's cultural appropriation. WTF does that even mean? Also, Dr. Seuss is now forbidden, because it's racist? It's getting out of hand. I'm sick of it. I don't have many black friends, but some of them are sick of it, too. They had to be TOLD that certain things were racist, because they didn't know. They find some of this nonsense ridiculous.