Daniel Shaver shooting

[SuburbanFarmer]

Radley Balko has written a lot of great stuff about the problems of policing in America. Cops today act like they are soldiers. A soldiers role is vastly different than that of a peace officer. Soldiers occupy enemy territory, police are supposed to protect citizens who subsidize their wages. We have it all ass backwards in the states.

Negative.

It's far easier for a LEO in America to shoot an American Citizen than for a Soldier to shoot a hajji planting an IED.

Now, the Law Enforcement likes to play Soldier, but they are not, totally different missions as you point to. But Cops need to understand their number one job is to protect the lives of US citizens, even those breaking the law. And what LEOs need to get in their head is that they SERVE the US CITIZENS and when they sign up, they sign up to give their lives to protect All US citizens.

We all agree on the problem - a million Barney Fifes playing Rambo. But what can we do about it?

[heydaralon]

Radley Balko has written a lot of great stuff about the problems of policing in America. Cops today act like they are soldiers. A soldiers role is vastly different than that of a peace officer. Soldiers occupy enemy territory, police are supposed to protect citizens who subsidize their wages. We have it all ass backwards in the states.

Negative.

It's far easier for a LEO in America to shoot an American Citizen than for a Soldier to shoot a hajji planting an IED.

Now, the Law Enforcement likes to play Soldier, but they are not, totally different missions as you point to. But Cops need to understand their number one job is to protect the lives of US citizens, even those breaking the law. And what LEOs need to get in their head is that they SERVE the US CITIZENS and when they sign up, they sign up to give their lives to protect All US citizens.

Soldiers can't engage with people planting bombs? That is absolutely bonkers to me! I don't know much about rules of engagement, but that seems like a great way for Americans overseas to get maimed.

[Speaker to Animals]

No dude. A lot of this shit we talk about cops doing would get a soldier court marshaled. This is why veterans for the most part tend to be quite skeptical of the police in America. We are not, as a group, fans. Maybe sympathetic to the issues they face, but not fans with how they act and behave. They have little sense of honor and many show utter contempt for the people they wish to save. These are people who *want* to treat American citizens as an occupied people because it makes them feel empowered. But the reality is that, if this were true, then the American people have a duty to go insurgent on their asses.

That's the point I was trying to make earlier. If this is truly an occupation and the cops have the right to murder us with impunity, then we have no moral restraint from killing them too.

[heydaralon]

No dude. A lot of this shit we talk about cops doing would get a soldier court marshaled. This is why veterans for the most part tend to be quite skeptical of the police in America. We are not, as a group, fans.

Well, if soldiers in a war zone are subject to discipline for their actions, then that means cops, who are in an exponentially safer domestic situation should be held to even higher standards. That video is pretty repulsive. Why was he ordering the man to crawl?

[Speaker to Animals]

No dude. A lot of this shit we talk about cops doing would get a soldier court marshaled. This is why veterans for the most part tend to be quite skeptical of the police in America. We are not, as a group, fans.

Well, if soldiers in a war zone are subject to discipline for their actions, then that means cops, who are in an exponentially safer domestic situation should be held to even higher standards. That video is pretty repulsive. Why was he ordering the man to crawl?

Honestly, I don't think there can be a remedy to the situation through government. Government likes authoritarian police. Government will protect its own. Eventually people will turn to vigilante justice and start killing murderous and corrupt cops. We already see growing acceptance of this in our popular media with television shows like Punisher where even the protagonists in law enforcement begin to "see" the value in Punisher flat out murdering corrupt officials and police.

We have already seen some pretty shitty attempts at striking back at police from the black nationalist community, but they target random cops which causes people to hate them. Dorner, as somebody mentioned earlier, went after his fellow cops for these kinds of crimes, but he targeted their families too which only elicited scorn. But if you go back into history, you will find that gangs in cities like Chicago began targeting specific cops for these kinds of abuses. That led towards better policing in the end because, even if a cop knew the system would allow him to get away with murdering some Italian immigrant, he would still get popped somewhere down the line and nobody would solve that crime.

I realize it's messy, but the cops are the ones who brought us to this point. I am not advocating it, but I am telling you flat out that people are going to start popping cops like this guy. I wouldn't even be surprised if he gets popped in a month or two. It's not just the murders either. It's the abusive behavior. The no-knock warrants to the wrong houses. The shooting of people's dogs.

I think it sucks because I know cops in my community are generally really good guys. The problem is that they operate just like a gang and they protect one another when they should speak out against this sort of thing and condemn it.

I realize it might seem silly, but I think Punisher hits on something deeper in the American psyche. Our history is pretty well filled up with that theme played out in real life. We have a LONG history of murdering abusive government officials. It's often the only way to restrain the government overreach, historically. There was a long period where that didn't seem necessary. The civil rights era was amazing in that we saw the government actually step in to police the police and try to establish a just society for all participants. We had a good run, but we are sliding into third world status now. I am not sure those kinds of solutions are any longer possible.

[C-Mag]

No dude. A lot of this shit we talk about cops doing would get a soldier court marshaled. This is why veterans for the most part tend to be quite skeptical of the police in America. We are not, as a group, fans.

Well, if soldiers in a war zone are subject to discipline for their actions, then that means cops, who are in an exponentially safer domestic situation should be held to even higher standards. That video is pretty repulsive. Why was he ordering the man to crawl?

You realize that the US cops use hollow point rounds and those rounds have been deemed inhumane by the Geneva Convention for warfare.

It is easier to kill you than an enemy combatant in war.

[heydaralon]

No dude. A lot of this shit we talk about cops doing would get a soldier court marshaled. This is why veterans for the most part tend to be quite skeptical of the police in America. We are not, as a group, fans.

Well, if soldiers in a war zone are subject to discipline for their actions, then that means cops, who are in an exponentially safer domestic situation should be held to even higher standards. That video is pretty repulsive. Why was he ordering the man to crawl?

You realize that the US cops use hollow point rounds and those rounds have been deemed inhumane by the Geneva Convention for warfare.

It is easier to kill you than an enemy combatant in war.

Well, I'm not particularly hard to kill anyways. I don't own a gun, and I only got a yellow belt in Tae Kwon Do.

I am quite disturbed by the militarization of police. Towns with 10,000 people or less often have armored personel carriers and old pentagon tech. Lakeland FL is an example of this. Quite a lot of ISIS activity there I'm sure. We should give these cops tow missiles too just to be safe. Oops we didn't type the warrant out right and flattened the wrong house. Years ago, cops in Phoenix burned down an entire apartment complex when they threw a flashbang grenade in for a no knock drug raid.

[C-Mag]

Well, if soldiers in a war zone are subject to discipline for their actions, then that means cops, who are in an exponentially safer domestic situation should be held to even higher standards. That video is pretty repulsive. Why was he ordering the man to crawl?

You realize that the US cops use hollow point rounds and those rounds have been deemed inhumane by the Geneva Convention for warfare.

It is easier to kill you than an enemy combatant in war.

Well, I'm not particularly hard to kill anyways. I don't own a gun, and I only got a yellow belt in Tae Kwon Do.

I am quite disturbed by the militarization of police. Towns with 10,000 people or less often have armored personel carriers and old pentagon tech. Lakeland FL is an example of this. Quite a lot of ISIS activity there I'm sure. We should give these cops tow missiles too just to be safe. Oops we didn't type the warrant out right and flattened the wrong house. Years ago, cops in Phoenix burned down an entire apartment complex when they threw a flashbang grenade in for a no knock drug raid.

The militarization of police is problematic, but it doesn't bother me. Frankly, if we should need to revolt against a heavy handed government it's a good thing, because most all that shit is going to end up in the hands of the rebels.

The immediate big problem is rules of engagement and the SOP that LEO lives are more important than average citizens.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think the militarization talk is a canard, personally. I don't really care what kit the police carry. I don't care if they get hand-me-down APCs and whatever else from the Pentagon.

I care about how they behave and carry out their duties.

A piece of shit, murderous cop with a .38 revolver is still a threat to you. He doesn't become a threat simply because he carries an AR15 or dresses like a fucking tacticool douche.

[C-Mag]

I think the militarization talk is a canard, personally. I don't really care what kit the police carry. I don't care if they get hand-me-down APCs and whatever else from the Pentagon.

I care about how they behave and carry out their duties.

A piece of shit, murderous cop with a .38 revolver is still a threat to you. He doesn't become a threat simply because he carries an AR15 or dresses like a fucking tacticool douche.

Shit, I love the Ten 33 program. Go ahead, disperse military equipment near me and my fellow patriots. Then go ahead and fuck with us...... Local hillbillies you love to trash in movies and media will own that shit. And then make you regret it.